Kings of Battle - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion (Part 1)

That confirms my suspicions…
They built an entire prop attacker family, had some jet prototypes and had modifications of French aircraft that barely even resembled the original airframe.

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Weren’t you the one that informed me of the Swiss air tree? Or was it someone else?

Such a beautiful family totally forgotten about they are so underrated

Very possible. I am quite a staunch advocate for an independent Swiss tree.

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That was a genuine question, not meant to sound condescending btw

The lists that I have seen so far were only trainers and recons built in switzerland, with the rest being imports

No, the sheer lack of Sim content and its extremely buggy state with an almost untenable economy system.

Im not saying SB should become a hyper realistic Milsim, only that the gameplay we’ve got is a poor attempt to continue to copy and paste content made for SB years and years ago with no updates. If anything, their constant “adjustments” have just broken the gamemode even further to the point where I genuinely think they need to start again.

But again, things like CCRP not working for guided bombs, despite the fact they do with a work-around, or missing Cockpit HUD features like lack of radar symbology. Or the poor implementation of CCRP target selection and available ripples (which have been suggested a dozen times) have yet to be addressed.

Im not saying they need to turn WT into a milsim. But there is so much they can do to improve things, but there focus is only on ARB (which in itself has barely seen any imrpovements or changes since we were fighting in sptifires vs 109s)

Multiple times, like the first time, for example, did you not use ‘if’, and rather stated it as a fact.

I understand your point but there really aren’t too many options left without falling into combinations. And I am not referring here to a plus nation, but to several nations combined to form a TT together.

When I saw the Czech truck go to the Soviet TT, Visegrad stopped being a possibility for me…

Bringing new TT’s that are desirable and at the same time competitive seems very difficult without combining them. But given the current state of the game, I have no doubt that it is the way to go.

@Mahiwew what the hell is this thing ?

It’s looks like a copied F-104

Yeah, I knew nothing of their air forces until someone posted the potential tech tree on the forums.
I just know their ground forces led to the worst tank ever produced in the history of tank design.
When you make Porsche’s Tiger look reliable you know you screwed up.

A hunter with wing mounted fuel tanks would be a quick guess

Looks like FFA P-16 Mk3

FFA P-16 MkIII X-HB-VAD Swiss Air Force | Ruud Boots
The P-16 was built in the fifties. It was intended to have the ability to operate even from soft fields. Although one of the prototypes had crashed, the Swiss Army ordered 100 aircraft in 1958. After the first pre-production aircraft had crashed due to hydraulic problems, the contract was canceled and Swiss government ordered Hawker Hunter instead. Some design and construction elements (look at the wings) of the P-16 were taken over by Bill Lear for his Lear Jet.
https://www.aviationmuseum.eu/Blogvorm/flieger-flab-museum/ffa-p-16-mkiii-x-hb-vad-swiss-air-force/#:~:text=The%20P-16%20was%20built,ordered%20100%20aircraft%20in%201958.

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If I came off as condescending then I apologize, as it was not my intention.
Had quite the day so I may be missing out on some social queues.

You are likely referring to the Pilatus company and their products, which indeed have some stuff that could work but to a bit of a lesser extent.

I think it might be worth exploring the D.3800 and their evolutions, C-360x series of aircraft (x being numbers 1, 2, ect.) and N-20 prototypes.
There are some more unarmed/unfinished products that could be added too, but that is of course of less relevance than the aforementioned.

The Hunter FK.58 is a highlight too of course, but unfortunately this is currently located within the German tree

A common Swiss W is what

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Though a copy can be made in the Swiss tree as they did the same thing with the STRV tank that was in Britain

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It would be a bit more complicated than the STRV or the israeli vehicles from the US tree, but I don’t see any problem in having it in two tech trees at the same time.
It being the best Hunter in the game and not being in the british tree doesnt get any better or worse from that lol

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and as someone who use to enjoy flying the hunters and was specifically hoping for the F58. does make me a bit salty it went to Germany

Still having these vehicles is more justified than possible Ukrainian top tier with basically captured/donated vehicles as their main tank force. Poland at least tries to nationalize their vehicles and make them more indigenous while Ukraine is simply using whatever.
That means literally a C&P of current NATO vehicles with simple roundels slapped on the sides. That’s all it takes to make a Ukrainian top tier tank.

Not to mention the complete lack of realistic connections between vehicles outside of “but we used it”. It’s a similar type of logic as ZSU-57-2 in Israeli tt (I don’t agree with this addition just to be clear).

And Ukraine tt in general wouldn’t be future-proof. It’s just that at the moment it sounds decent because of how diverse equipment is being donated to them;. The thing is they won’t be getting any better equipment than this for a good while.

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No worries.

Did these aircraft not enter service with the Swiss Airforce? They aren’t listed on wikipedias list of current and retired Swiss Airforce inventory

@KhorneFlakez1337
I have here for you some tree suggestions that you can pull some vehicles from.
The air tree isn’t the greatest (and pulls the liberty of just adding the Austrians in as well) but it is not the worst uniqueness wise, especially when compared to more popular nations such as the Koreas.

The ground trees are definitely worth a deeper look too, even without the aforementioned liberties of Austria sub-tree (which tbh would likely be a good addition for a Swiss tree in all fairness)

Unfortunately I cannot link you one of these suggestions, so I will put some screenshots in instead and hide it behind a spoiler. The rest will be in link form.

Spoiler


https://pikpikker.neocities.org/swiss_wt