What was tested?
The Soviets deployed their own S-300 to East Germany and operated by GSFG, not Germany. The most they could get is the S-200 which was a stationary battery.
I really say No to another copy paste. “captured vehicles” btw never been added in the regular trees, just check and you’ll notice they’re all premium. If all countries have to receive captured vehicles we will end with copy paste everywhere (and not only tanks). I guess there are enough of them in the game
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i like big tank
Here’s a thought for a realistic flavor if you want to add a Tiger II to the Soviet lineup: It can only move 30 seconds at a time until it breaks down for 60 seconds of repair. The Germans had difficulty with their own maintenance of this vehicle, does anyone think captured types could do any better but with NO spare parts available? Please, not another copy/paste.
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Literally every German tank during World War 2.
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I’ve been sick of copy-paste all the way back when we simply referred to them as captured vehicles. Might as well have a Tiger or Tiger II in every tree. Why even have trees? Just have a single unspecified tree that follows technological progression.
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So, should the US and Britain get king tigers 2? They probably captured some after the war. The Soviet tree would probably be full of German and Us vehicles if captured vehicles are added to a nation. I think gaijin only adds captured vehicles are premiums anyway since otherwise there would be no point to tech trees at all
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The US did end up capturing a couple, one was even operated for a bit until it broke down and was later recovered, shipped back to the US, and placed on display sans its left side armor. England captured a couple as well including the V2 Prototype which is being restored to running condition at Bovington
which annoyingly cant be added to the game as some how the museum owns the copyright to that specific tank. They didnt make it! they dont own the makers! how can one copyright a tank they didnt even capture!?
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Copyright is a strange beast to understand; it’s less about them copyrighting the design and the Tiger I/Tiger II V2 themselves, and more about them copyrighting the specific Tanks in question. Hence, “Tiger 131” is copyrighted, whereas Tiger 132 isn’t. Its strange, but IG with it being so iconic its understandable
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thats literally untrue lol. Having to shoot other tiger 2s and not cardboard boxes of USSR is a HUGE difference.
Same as shooting USSR tanks with chinese T-62. Very different on feeling.
where were you people when they added leopard 1s and 2s everywhere and when they copied 72s to germany and italy?
No. Adds nothing necessary, unique or interesting to the USSR tree - just pure copy-paste.
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same as 72m`s and 55s
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Yep. Don’t like those, for the same reasons.
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the main reason i play Germany is for the tiger II
the main reason i play USSR is the IS-2 with 122m gun
same idea for other nations
this will kill the game adding captured tanks for other nations will kill the point of playing that nation !
US can get king tiger and USSR can get a king tiger and France can get a king tiger !
if gajin add historical matchmaking to the game for ground RB i see no issue other wise my vote is no !
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Those were actually used in combat. I don’t think any King Tiger was captured and then used in combat. By this logic half of the German tech tree should be available for both the USA and USSR.
As someone else rightfully pointed out, there is no lack of capable heavy tanks for Russia around 6.7. If you want something with comparable gameplay, you should get the Object 248 and use it. Its quite amazing, low reload, great cannon, decent armor.
If the Russians get a premium King Tiger, there is literally zero reason why the Germans shouldn’t get a premium IS-2, seeing as they captured a few. They used them as target practice to test the armor weak points, but that shouldn’t matter considering the Russians never used the King Tigers they captured either.
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There is some evidence of them being used for a short time. We do know Tiger 1s were also put into service with a certain group.
Here’s some examples.
Spoiler
During Operation Bagration, the 28th Guards Tank Brigade already had two Tiger tanks (as of July 27, 1944, its roster included 32 T-34s, 13 T-70s, 4 SU-122s, 4 SU-76s, and 2 PzKpfw VIs). However, by mid-autumn 1944, the brigade’s composition had become much more homogeneous: 65 T-34s and one PzKpfw VI Tiger. Where the extra Tiger came from and where the second one went is unknown.
Examples of units with captured armored vehicles
Date Unit Allied armored vehicles Axis armored vehicles
Jun 27, 1941 8th Mechanized Corps? 13 Pz.III and Pz.IV (T-3 and T-4)
May 5, 1942 150th Tank Brigade? 1 KV, 7 T-34, 7 BT, 18 T-26, 1 T-40, 1 T-60 1 Pz.III (T-3)
Jul 25, 1942 32nd Tank Brigade? 1 Pz.II (T-2), 3 StuG.III (SU-75)
Mar 1942 121st Tank Brigade? 3 Pz.III (T-3)
May 14, 1942 52nd Tank Brigade 5 KV, 2 T-34, 13 T-60, 3 M3 Stuart, 1 Valentine 1 Pz.IV (T-4)
5 Jul 1942 107th Separate Tank Battalion 1 KV, 2 T-34, 1 BT-7 2 Pz.III (T-3), 1 Pz.IV (T-4), 3 StuG.III (SU-75), 1 Pz.I (T-1)
1 Aug 1942 Separate Tank Battalion “B” 9 T-60 12 Pz.III (T-3), 7 Pz.IV (T-4), 2 StuG, 10 Pz.38(t)
1 Apr 1943 151st Tank Brigade 3 M3 Stuart, 25 Valentines 4 Pz.IV (T-4), 5 Pz.III (T-3), 2 Pz.II (T-2)
1 Apr 1943 266 dept. t. baht. ? 4 Pz.III (T-3)
6 May 1943 62 dept. t. baht. 3 T-34, 15 Valentines 2 Pz.III (T-3), 1 Pz.IV (T-4)
30 May 1943 75 dept. t. baht. 15 Valentines 9 Pz.III (T-3), 1 Pz.IV (T-4)
10 Jun 1943 29 t. hull 129 T-34, 84 T-70, 1 KV 1 Pz.38(t)
7 Jul 1943 244 t.p. 16 M3 Grant, 2 M3 Stuart 9 Pz.III (T-3), 4 Pz.IV (T-4)
10 Aug 1943 1938 SAP 2 SU-122, 2 SU-76 2 StuG.III (SU-75)
28 Aug 1943 dept. t. bat., 44 army 1 M3 Grant, 1 M3 Stuart 13 Pz.III (T-3), 3 Pz.IV (T-4)
4 Sep 1943 1448 SAP 14 SU-76 and SU-122 1 Pz.III (T-3)
11 Nov 1943 213 t.br. 4 T-34 11 Pz.IV (T-4), 35 Pz.III (T-3)
November 1943 53 Guards Brigade ? up to 30 armored personnel carriers
July 27, 1944 28 Guards T.B. 32 T-34, 13 T-70, 4 SU-122, 4 SU-76 2 Pz.VI (T-6 Tiger)
1 Sep 1944 5th Guards Brigade 23 T-34, 47 T-70 2 StuG.40, 1 Pz.IV (T-4)
10 Sep 1944 detachment battalion, 5 Guards brigade. 32 Hungarian armored units
30 Oct 1944 8 Turan, 2 Toldi, 3 Zrinji, 2 Nimrod
16 Jul 1944 511 etc. 2 T-34, 17 Valentine 4 Pz.V (T-5 Panther)
3 Mar 1945 991 SAP 16 SU-76 3 Pz.V (T-5 Panther)
7 Mar 1945 dept. SAP, 27th Army? 8 Hummel (SU-150), 6 Nashorn (SU-88)
March 12, 1945 Combined T-Battalion, 27th Army 5 SU-76 1 Wespe (SU-105), 6 StuG (SU-75)
It’s kinda messy, I’m sorry.
true brotha
Ill myself vote against any clones with no modifications
it was by both USSR and US, tho the US one didnt even shoot once being on the battlefield…
IS-2 is as effective as tiger 2? Good joke
weird logic. Even 248 is not half as effective as Tiger 2, and its literally an event vehicle. Same as to say “if germany wants a decent MBT they should go buy PT16/14” tbh
thy they already have two KVs and t-34, all more than effective on their battle rating
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There are a number of event vehicles superior to tech-tree versions. Soviets have a good bulk of them. KV-2 (1940), T-10A, PT-76-57, all soviet event vehicles that outclass their free or even paid premium counterparts. The 90mm AMX-50 is an event vehicle I’ve wanted pretty badly since I’ve started playing France this last year, but the coupon for it is quite expensive. It fills a kind of niche vehicle at that tier that I enjoy quite a lot, that being an auto-loading tank with APHE. Thankfully the Char 25t has the same exact turret, so its not a necessity to buy the AMX-50 variant.
TLDR; being an event vehicle shouldn’t disqualify it from being a solution to someone’s niche playstyle needs. If you so desperately want a tank that is EXACTLY like a Tiger II, play Germany or buy the Swedish one and play them instead.
Also the Object 248 is amazing, I don’t think you understand just how incredible its 100mm cannon is with only a 8.5 second reload.
Yeah, its called a niche. If you want a fast loading heavy tank while playing Russia, use the 248. If you want an autoloader on a MBT while playing Germany then you’d have to buy the PT16/14. Is that really that crazy to suggest? This is like saying I should make a forum suggestion to add a captured Sherman 76mm tank to Germany just because no German tanks at mid-tier have stabilizers. Gaijin removed the 75mm Sherman from purchase for good reason. There are already enough copy-paste tanks, so captured tanks either need to serve an important role in a sparse tech-tree (e.g. Sweden’s King Tiger, Italy’s Hungarian Tiger, neither country has a heavy tank), or they need to be uniquely modified (German T-34, KV-2, KV-1C, Swedish Sherman III/IV, KV-1, etc).
All also higher battle ratings than their Russian counterparts.
Tell me you don’t play Russia without telling me you don’t play Russia. Yes its just as capable, as I said. Also just as “effective,” as you put it. Just because two heavies play differently doesn’t mean they can’t be equally as powerful in practice. IS-2 has incredible angled pen that the Tiger II’s fast reload or extra velocity won’t be able to compete with. I’d take an IS-2 with BR-471D over a Tiger II’s 88mm any day when facing cold war tanks like the M48 or T32. Overpressure is incredibly useful, one well placed shot goes a long way.