Khalid (Chieftain) Needs L23A1 Or Battle Rating of 9.0

[TPS_Hydra]

The Khalid MBT

This thing is absolutely mediocre at 9.3 with little to no unique attributes at this BR, the mobility is what you’d expect from a medium armoured vehicle, the shell is absolutely dog poop (even the 9.0 ZTZ88As gun performs much better whilst only being a 105mm) and there is a lack of thermals for the vehicle.

I should first mention the shell this thing uses:

The L23 is the earliest 120mm APFSDS shell which can be found on British tanks, the shell on paper performs decently well and especially at 9.3 but this is the opposite whilst in matches.

• A major flaw of this shell is the angled performance, this thing absolutely LOVES to get hammered by angled armour and a example would be the ZTZ96s upper plate.

• Another flaw of this shell is the shrapnel created once the shell penetrates the vehicle, this thing weighs 3.89kg (the Israeli M111 which performs better with angled armour weighs 4.2kg). Because of this weighting as much as my left toe nail it creates little to no shrapnel and in combination of its poor angled performance it makes this shell absolutely unusable.

The Type 1985-I APFSDS is a shell which can be found on another 9.3 vehicle (that being the ZTZ96) - it performs similarly to the L26 let alone L23 or L23A1

Another issue I must mention:

The survivability of the Chieftains in general are usually mediocre but the Chieftain Mk.10 somewhat fixed this with the extensively stronger turret. The Khalid MBT completely abandons this for more mobility however which is somewhat good in most scenarios but realistically this is more of a side grade.

Gaijin treats this as being a major advantage and views the Khalid MBT as a far superior vehicle compared to the Chieftain Mk.10 which still baffles me. You should either give this thing L23A1 or move it down to 9.0 (like where the Chieftain Mk.10 sits) if you want this thing to be somewhat competitive.

[TPS_Hydra]

• Give It L23A1
• Move It Down To 9.0
• Keep It The Same

[Zannafrancy12]

Id love for it to be a 9.0 tank with the .
Mk10

[Gorrann]

It should be on 9.0 long time ago. It fights vs 10.3 all the time.
Premium usually are versions on lower tiers. I have a feeling that this one is kept on higher tier for no reason.

[Gorrann]

I would even say that 9.0 is too high, becasue it lacks thermals. Compare it to 8.3 M48 in german line. It has similar stats, but it has 1 tier difference.

[An_Pigeon]

you give it l23A1 watch it go to 10.0 in the next BR change, its going to be 9.7 with the next BR changes.

The mobility yhe khalid has alongside a fairly good gun, LRF , etc makes it worthy of where it sits, sure before it only had L15A3 which meant it was struggling, but now adays? the Khalid is more than fine, if anything im sure it had thermals IRL but we wont go there.

[An_Pigeon]

its kept at 9.3 (soon to be 9.7) because people generally perform decently well with it, its an extremely mobile cheiftain that is completely worth of 9.3, the thing is like a mini challanger 1 at 9.3 rather than 10.0, (soon to be 10.3 and 10.7 for the mk2 and mk3)

so no this thing doesnt need a better round, or anything bar maybe the thermals if it had them
i still rock it in a top tier lineup.

[An_Pigeon]

but its better than a mark ten due to the mobility increase? it doesnt need a better round, or to go down in BR mate, its probably one of hte most balanced 9.3s out there.

[Gorrann]

Man,
Almost all 9.3 MBTS have thermas.
Almost all 9.3 MBTS have better mobility. I think only 9.0 Chieftain have worse.
I went through all 9.3 tanks and ALL OF THEM have better rounds at the end of research for vehicle.

Khalid alongside other chieftain should be around 8.3 - 8.7 tops when we look at mobility/lack of thermals. I do not think this has to have L23A1, but it is way overtiered.

[Jarms]

Is it a base Mk 5 or Mk 5/4? If it’s the former it cannot use L23A1 because the stowage literally can’t fit it. Though the Mk 5 and Mk 10 in-game are also missing L15A5, which the Khalid should be able to fire.

[An_Pigeon]

The khalid has l23. Which spalls more and is heavier than most if not all 105apfsds

The khalid is mid for mobility as its cross country performance is pretty good.

At 9.3 it is no where near overtiered especially now it cannot and willnot see leo2a4s, abrams etc.

I was compiling a bug report for it for thermals as im sure it had them in real life but cant find reputable enough sources.

And most importantly the khalid is missing l15A5 same as every chieftain bar the mk3.

The khalid is fine at 9.3

T72, t64, mbt70/kpz70 etc dont have thermals either and have similar rounds all at 9.3

The 9.3 french vehilces are 9.7 worthy imo.

The leo1a5 is beyond paper.
M48 super is slower and less mobile, italy has the what ? Of40 mk2 with no thermals at 9.3? Or is it 9.0

[An_Pigeon]

The mk5 in game is touted as a standard mk5 though someone proved in bug report its missing most its standard mk5 equipment.

Were missing a lot of refinement within the chieftains tbh

[Jarms]

Cool. It does have a LRF, so it’s at least a Mk 5/L. Not sure when they removed the ranging .50 from production. Will need to look that up because it’ll help narrow that down. There’s tons of Mk 5 variants.

[An_Pigeon]

The original mk5 variants never had the ranging gun. Thats the whole thing with the massive bug reports on it, the MK5 went into production, after the mk3 had been upgraded to a mk3/3 ? Or was it mk3/2 that had the lrf.

[Jarms]

This says ranging machine gun on the Mk 5. It also says tank laser sight too, so what’s the difference between Mk 5 and Mk 5/L. Too many Chieftains. Lol

[An_Pigeon]

But what is that document?

Genuinely looking for as many as possible to get shit fixed.

They acknowledged the lrf for the mk5.

It also states it has a laser tank sight, and in the mk5 L an upgraded laser tank sight.

The mk5 was always an L variant as far as im aware of?

[Gorrann]

Ok. Since it is not going to be matched with Leo2a4, abrams etc, what is the advantage over leo1, t72 or kpz70?
Do you see any? It has similar rounds (but Khalid usually has 20mm less penetration at 500m).
While a tiny lack of penetration it is much slower than ALL of these. It also has better protection ONLY from Leo1a5.
Leo is great, mostly becasue of penetration and speed.
Russian have everything, while Khalid is much worse in play. When checking reddit or other site people regret buying this one.
This is why I think it should be 9.0 tops. I would compare it to XM803 which is at 8.7.
XM803 has great mobility, lack of armor, medicore penetration, while
Khalid has great gun, medicore armor (turret) and lack of speed.

[An_Pigeon]

Xm803 is 9.0 dude.

Over its round may slightly less pen than the 105 APFSDS but its a 120mm APFSDS, which is, heavier, longer and creates in general more spall.

The khalid also has extemely cross country performance e.g itll sit at nearly 56 kmph over most ground bar climbing hills.

The reload with an expert crew is around 8.1 seconds i believe while slower than the 125mm auto loaded t72 and t64. It has i think the same 60 degree angle pen or very close to the same.

Ontop of that the khalid can get itself in and out of trouble far faster than a normal chieftain, every russian tank as they have -4 reverse.
Khalid also has incredibly good gun depression compared to most other 9.3s

Everyone just looks at flat pen, but at the end of the day theres more than just pen to a tank.

The only issue ive came across the khalid was its lack of thermals, which a lot of 9.3 still dont have.

Edit, id 100 percent use the khalid over the mbt70/kpz70 and i have all three, the round on tbe mbt70s is incredibly poor for the br, the tanks layout makes its survivability even lower than the leo1, and of40s.

The t72 is 4kmph faster but doesnt usually hit 60kmph unless its incredibly flat not cross country terrain. Has a better cannon sure, has worse depression, and gun elevation period, im sure it has worse turret traverse, has worse reverse by a mile, and is equally as weak to being one tapped.

The leopard 1a5 while has dm33 and thermals, has incredibly low survivability due to the layout, armour and profile of it.

And as i stared the pen of tbe rounds at a flat angle id pretty irrelevant its the 60 degree pen, and the calibre of the round that makes a difference.

I wouldnt compere it to a merkava mk1 or mk2 as i believe they should be 9.7

[Gorrann]

XM803 is 8.7.
MBT70 is 9.0.
Just to know difference. I am sure of it. I just got both.

Also when I referred to thermals I was looking at premiums 9.3.
Leo1/44 has thermals.
Leo1NO has thermals
XM1 has thermals
Type 16/74G has thermals
AMX30 has thermals
Magah 6B guess what xD

I understand your points.

I think that 9.3 is reserved for realy good vehicles, but I think that except the gun, Khalid lacks at 9.3.
Please keep in mind that best companion for Khalid is Chief 10, which has 9.0. It may sound ridiculous but at 9.3 games starts to be really fast for this slow tank.

Especially that I have no idea when was the last time I was top tier. I fight TURMS all the time and I think games shows me that 10.3 is my BR at the moment.
I have few other tanks at 9.0 and the feeling is much better.

[An_Pigeon]

Im sitting looking at my american 9.3 lineup as i write this.
XM803 - 9.0
Mbt70 - 9.3

Unless youre on arcade.

Ive got all of the premiums you mentioned there bar the type 16 and megach but its a squadron so we can use the shot kal dalet instead? Or is 9.3 not comparable?

So leopard 1a1/l44
Same turret traverse
Worse survivability
Worse armour
Worse gun traverse
Worse depression
Worse reverse speed
And worse profile.
Only 9kmph faster on flat grounf at max speed
Faster reload aced by .8 of a second.

Leopard 1a5NO is just a leopard 5 so i refer to all my previous points about it.
And and the ones from the L44 leopard apply as well.

Amx30 super
Worse depression
Woese armour
Worse survivability
Arguably worse round 20 more pen but less spalling. (Been using the French 9.3 and 8.7 alot recently)
Far superior mobility
Arguably worse profile due to height and cupola shots.

Type74
Slower
Worse depression
Worse gun handling over all
Worse survivability
Worse crew placement.
Worse overall mobility
Worse optics
Arguably better profile.
Better round
Better reload again aced by not a full second
2 second better turret traverse.

Type 16
Is a light tank so mobility is in its favour.
Worse round
Worse depression
Worse turret traverse
Same reload
Worse armour
Worse profile ( its massive)
And worse terrain resistance.

Xm1
Mobility is its keypoint and is exceptional.
Horrible armour compared to the khalid in game.
Worse profile
Worse crew placement
Worse round
Same depression
Faster turret traverse
And reload but rounds horribly worse.
Profile is probably about the same.

Megach 6B gal
Worse turret traverse
Worse mobility
Worse survivability
Worse layout
Same reload and aced marginally better.
Mooreeee machine guns.
Has era but useless at that br.
Better round. Cant say m426 is worse tha l23.

Edit.
OF40Mtca is 9.3 as well.
Worse armour
Worse layout
Worse round until they added dm33 recently.
No thermals.
Worse depression
Better turret traverse
Worse reverse.
Worse profile due to the height same as leos and amx30.

See where im going here. At 9.3 the khalid is not some underpowered, under performaning vehicle at all. Its not some over powered killing machine either, its perfect where it is and if used right absolutely slaps.

Edit i also sat here and compared everything as i typed it.