Unless youre on arcade.
XM803 - 9.0
Mbt70 - 9.3
You are right! I am farming crew exp.
I understand your points. I trully am. Thank you for discussion.
I will not argue anymore. I will point one thing for the last time.
Do you know who usually wins in RB? Even in real life?
The one who shoots first.
So probably I would trade some of the cons and pros with such AMX for Thermals.
Thermals gives a lot, to detect enemy before he detects you.
Mark 1 thermals at 9.3 usually aren’t as useful as you’re making out.
The khalid is fine where it is,.i was looking for sources to give it themrals, but it doesn’t need to go down in BR at all.
Also id like to mention my khalid with an expert crew has
21.1 second turret traverse
8 second reload
All the boons of having an expert crew, it is a fantastic tank especially with expert crew
So its turret traverse n reload are better than leo1a1 l44 because it is also expert and has worse stats.
I disagree on the Khalid being fine at 9.3, it’s literally just a Mk 5 with a LRF (that it will be getting soon whenever Gaijin implement that bug report) and has a better engine. That’s it. Hardly worthy of a 0.7 BR increase. 0.3 fine, that’s understandable. It’s basically like comparing the Mk 3 to the Mk 5. All you get is a bit more speed and engine power.
I’ve said it in a few threads now, but what I’d like to see:
the khalid IRL fired the l23a1 round, has a challanger 1 power pack so no its not just a mark 5 with a laser range finder it is far, far more mobile than the other chieftains and with a half decent crew has a pretty decent reload for the caliber of the gun it does not belong in 9.0 or lower than 9.3 considering how it plays.
the Mk5 chieftain at 9.0 with L15A5 and a LRF is probably what will happen if it gets both the round and LRF but then itll also get made into the MK5/4 and given L23A1 to save them hassle making more cheiftains in game.
the MK10 chieftain while it has stillbrew armour is also slower than the MK5 in game due to the extra weight rarely will it get to 48kmph.
Rather than add a modification to it that would artificially bump up its BR to 9.7 for thermals n L23A1 why not put a foldered chieftain called the MK11 with the togs, and all the rounds it actually got, in at 9.7… with no lineup.
also checked your acc, you dont even have a mark 3 chieftain and you want it dropped to 8.3? youve no idea how any of these vehilces play in game man, the khalid is beyond fine at 9.3 its actually fairly well balanced there.
the mk10 at 9.0 is also fairly well balanced where it is even with the round it has combined with the armour.
What we need is real decompression and fixed to half the stuff that plagues the game, not lower the BR of these tanks, what can any 7.3 do against a mk3 chieftain, reliably that is.
what can an 8.0 tank e.g a leopard 1 or amx30 do against a khalid that is nearly as mobile as it and is certainly packing far more firepower? that is called compression.
also another quick note no chieftain should get the L15A5 as a stock round, they all could as standard fire the L15A3 according to the very book you have, the l15A5 round was kept for tougher targets due to it being a more costly round due to the tungten core, until the eventual usuage of an APFSDS round as standard for AP over the standard APDS.
Several things:
if you add the LRF to the mK5 it loses the ranging gun, if you also add another powerful APDS round that would have closer pen to teh T72s 3BM22 for example then it would go up to 9.0 regardless of decompression.
as well as they would and should add a foldered MK5/4 but they probs would to save hassle just turn the mk5 we have into a mk5/4 its gaijin remember.
chieftain MK11 would be 9.3 due to the thermals and L23A1 round while the mk10 could still sit at 9.0 without thermals. making it a modificiation would completely destroy the tanks stock grind, could you imagine facing leopard 2s in a stock Mk10 chieftain?
L15A5 is A service round, not THE service round, before its inception it was the L15A3 that was used then the l15A5 for encounters of tougher armour e.g T62 and 72s. due to cost of the tungsten rounds.
the later models didnt use the L15A5 due forgoing it for the L23A1, as per the haynes manual i was reading online. so maybe has been altered.
The khalid is certainly worth it man
Yeah but I’m broke lol, and already made a couple of purchases this sale
of course, i know the feeling man, next time around i highly recommend getting the khalid when you can, it compliments the 9.3 lineup incredibly well
Did it? The manual doesn’t mention it, only APDS.
Well if gaijin would properly implement the right chieftain tanks and their correct ammos.
I did get l23A1 im sure ill try find the pamphlet i was reading, sure it was an upgrade before jordan got challanger 1s (could.be wrong as no idea how accurate it is)
Same idea as in game we have the T80B which is both the original and the bv again could be wrong.
However the chieftains are missing l15A5 tungsten cored apds which was a higher penning apds.
As i say i may ve wrong with thr L23A1 round as far as i can see jordan did use the ammunition with the challanger 1s and khalids at the same time.
But if we go purely by the production manual then it needs L15A5. Same as all the other incorrect chieftians.
This idea while could be a bit funky on a re read seems.not too bad, seeing as we have tbe decompression.
It’s not impossible the Jordanians or the British upgraded the stowage racks to house L23A1 once they started receiving Challengers (or simply a few years into their deal). However, from the manual all the initial Khalids never received L23A1. So it just depends on which year Gaijin want their Khalid to represent.
So as I said drop it to 9.0 if it never gets L23A1, or leave it at 9.3 if there’s another round of decompression. If it does get L23A1 then leave it at 9.3 currently, or move it up to 9.7 if there’s another round of compression. I do admit, perhaps there was a better way to word that suggestion but it’s hard to cover all the bases without getting confusing.
Yeah, personally with the leopards and what not having moved it doesnt need the l23A1 as it sits roughly the same pen as say, the t72 with the 3bm22
The issue is trying to fibd what upgraded the jordanians effectively made.
Tbh id like to see L15A5 in game, and for the mk5 to get it as well.
And dw about wording were talking about 4 or 5 variations of the same tank with varying upgrades etc.