Khalid (Chieftain) Needs L23A1 Or Battle Rating of 9.0

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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Unless youre on arcade.

XM803 - 9.0
Mbt70 - 9.3

You are right! I am farming crew exp.

I understand your points. I trully am. Thank you for discussion.

I will not argue anymore. I will point one thing for the last time.
Do you know who usually wins in RB? Even in real life?
The one who shoots first.
So probably I would trade some of the cons and pros with such AMX for Thermals.
Thermals gives a lot, to detect enemy before he detects you.

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Mark 1 thermals at 9.3 usually aren’t as useful as you’re making out.

The khalid is fine where it is,.i was looking for sources to give it themrals, but it doesn’t need to go down in BR at all.

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Also id like to mention my khalid with an expert crew has

21.1 second turret traverse
8 second reload
All the boons of having an expert crew, it is a fantastic tank especially with expert crew

So its turret traverse n reload are better than leo1a1 l44 because it is also expert and has worse stats.

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I disagree on the Khalid being fine at 9.3, it’s literally just a Mk 5 with a LRF (that it will be getting soon whenever Gaijin implement that bug report) and has a better engine. That’s it. Hardly worthy of a 0.7 BR increase. 0.3 fine, that’s understandable. It’s basically like comparing the Mk 3 to the Mk 5. All you get is a bit more speed and engine power.

I’ve said it in a few threads now, but what I’d like to see:

  • Chieftain Mk 3: Go down to 8.3, though may cause balance issues. Preferably I’d like to see more high tier decompression so the other Chieftains can go up and leave the Mk 3 it’s own BR space at 8.7. There’s no point in taking it over the Mk 5.
  • Chieftain Mk 5: Give it the missing LRF, it’s been bug reported for ages now. Give it L15A5 ammo as a top round. If there’s decompression it can be moved to 9.0.
  • Chieftain Mk 5/4: Add it at 9.0, give it L15A5 as the stock round and L23A1 as the top round. If there’s decompression it can be added at 9.3.
  • Khalid: Drop it down to 9.0 and give it L15A5 as the top round. It is asymetrically balanced against the new Mk 5/4. With the Mk 5/4 having far better firepower and the Khalid having far better mobility. If there’s decompression it can remain at 9.3.
  • Chieftain Mk 10: Move it up to 9.3, remove the stock L15A3 and replace it with L15A5, remove the fake L23 ammo and replace it with L23A1 as the top round, and then give it a new tier IV modification that turns it into the Mk 11 with the TOGS box. It’s an incredibly minor model change just swapping the IR light box for the TOGS box. If there’s decompression it can be moved to 9.7.
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the khalid IRL fired the l23a1 round, has a challanger 1 power pack so no its not just a mark 5 with a laser range finder it is far, far more mobile than the other chieftains and with a half decent crew has a pretty decent reload for the caliber of the gun it does not belong in 9.0 or lower than 9.3 considering how it plays.

the Mk5 chieftain at 9.0 with L15A5 and a LRF is probably what will happen if it gets both the round and LRF but then itll also get made into the MK5/4 and given L23A1 to save them hassle making more cheiftains in game.

the MK10 chieftain while it has stillbrew armour is also slower than the MK5 in game due to the extra weight rarely will it get to 48kmph.
Rather than add a modification to it that would artificially bump up its BR to 9.7 for thermals n L23A1 why not put a foldered chieftain called the MK11 with the togs, and all the rounds it actually got, in at 9.7… with no lineup.

also checked your acc, you dont even have a mark 3 chieftain and you want it dropped to 8.3? youve no idea how any of these vehilces play in game man, the khalid is beyond fine at 9.3 its actually fairly well balanced there.

the mk10 at 9.0 is also fairly well balanced where it is even with the round it has combined with the armour.

What we need is real decompression and fixed to half the stuff that plagues the game, not lower the BR of these tanks, what can any 7.3 do against a mk3 chieftain, reliably that is.
what can an 8.0 tank e.g a leopard 1 or amx30 do against a khalid that is nearly as mobile as it and is certainly packing far more firepower? that is called compression.

also another quick note no chieftain should get the L15A5 as a stock round, they all could as standard fire the L15A3 according to the very book you have, the l15A5 round was kept for tougher targets due to it being a more costly round due to the tungten core, until the eventual usuage of an APFSDS round as standard for AP over the standard APDS.

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Several things:

  • Chieftain Mk 3 as I said I preferred it remaining at 8.7 provided Gaijin continue decompressing those BR’s. The Chieftain Mk 3 is relegated as a backup vehicle as it offers no advantages over the Mk 5.
  • Chieftain Mk 5 with a LRF and L15A5 should remain at 8.7, unless there’s decompression. If there is decomposition it can move to 9.0 and give the Mk 3 a purpose.
  • Chieftain Mk 5/4 doesn’t have a ranging .50 so it’s not as simple as just adding L23A1 to the Mk 5 and calling it a Mk 5/4. It’d need a modification converting the vehicle into a 5/4 and new turret model. Just make a new vehicle to grind. L23A1 is a massive jump in performance compared to either L15 round.
  • Chieftain Mk 10 & 11 TOGS by itself doesn’t justify a higher BR as the weapon performance as mentioned above. The Mk 10 is getting L23A1 someday Gaijin just have to action the report, which means it will likely go up. Giving it TOGS as a modification further justifies this.
  • L15A5 is the service round. I’ve got the manuals. Later model Chieftains only used L15A1 and L23A1.
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if you add the LRF to the mK5 it loses the ranging gun, if you also add another powerful APDS round that would have closer pen to teh T72s 3BM22 for example then it would go up to 9.0 regardless of decompression.
as well as they would and should add a foldered MK5/4 but they probs would to save hassle just turn the mk5 we have into a mk5/4 its gaijin remember.

chieftain MK11 would be 9.3 due to the thermals and L23A1 round while the mk10 could still sit at 9.0 without thermals. making it a modificiation would completely destroy the tanks stock grind, could you imagine facing leopard 2s in a stock Mk10 chieftain?

L15A5 is A service round, not THE service round, before its inception it was the L15A3 that was used then the l15A5 for encounters of tougher armour e.g T62 and 72s. due to cost of the tungsten rounds.
the later models didnt use the L15A5 due forgoing it for the L23A1, as per the haynes manual i was reading online. so maybe has been altered.

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I don’t have it but I was on the verge of getting it multiple times and it looks alright it doesn’t need to move down imo It’s definitely better than leopard a1a1, it trades thermals for a little bit of survivability compared to stuff like the Leopard 1a5 . I have the rooikat and I’m kinda of disappointed with it because I find it really hard to use especially on small maps, a tank is always more versatile and a better grinder than wheeled vehicles imo…so don’t feel bad you didn’t made a bad purchase, you just need more practice.

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The khalid is certainly worth it man

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Yeah but I’m broke lol, and already made a couple of purchases this sale

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of course, i know the feeling man, next time around i highly recommend getting the khalid when you can, it compliments the 9.3 lineup incredibly well

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