Different situation tho. One is about generally proving that a certain vehicle can fire a weapon the other is about a nation not procuring certain armaments with said vehicle
My point being that we have no evidence that the KH-38MT is even in russian arsenals, but if certain jets can carry the KH38ML, thsn by extension can carry the 38MT, which is guesswork and contextually invalid
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Aircraft that can carry AGM-65Gs can carry all large warhead AGM-65s.
Do you think USA is unique in having streamlined data transfer weapons?
The older Kh-25s act rather similarly.
Comparing Mavericks to KH38 again?
Never did to begin with other than to say Kh-38MT’s are superior kinematically.
Cause in ground battles it’s AGMs “vs” SPAA, not AGMs vs AGMs so there’s no reason to compare individual missiles to each other really.
No one has an issue dealing with the launch platform, I didn’t once state that the SU30SM or SU34 is overpowered. The problem is within the munition itself. Its not moving the goalpost. I’m using my new ADVANCED SPAA to attempt and intercept these munitions.
Or are you suggesting I should just give up once they’ve launched and let them get the kills cause they earned it from being able to spawn a plane that can carry the kh38?
You’re right, the AGM-65s, and the Hammers are not magical missiles cause they’re real missiles.
The KH38MT however, does not exist.
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The rules of a weapon you know, existing and being mounted to an aircraft.
I’m gonna level with you, I don’t believe they have any actual additional information. I believe they wanted to give russia an IR guided A2G weapon, saw that the MT was proposed and just didn’t look closely at all. After the various issues that’s gone on over time, quite frankly I don’t trust them at all.
Kh-38MT, if they have NDA’d documents internally, matches their requirements.
That would be even worse for gaijin. It would be privileged access to the russian defence industry, which would mean close ties to said defence industry. Given the current situation in the world, that would be… a bad move.
The specs of Kh-38 itself is exactly to what it’s like in reality. Mach 4.5ish, 70km range. Those match known documents.
Sure, but noone is arguing that. We’re arguing about the existence of the seeker head on the MT and it’s… extremely optimistic implementation. You know what the seeker in the brocure if it was ever made would actually have been capable of? Tracking a tank from 3 to 6 km if the stars align and conditions were absolutely perfect. it just doesn’t have the contrast or sensitivity to achieve anything else.
Gaijin Entertainment has documents from hundreds of corporations, not just Russian ones.
They even said themselves that they have documents they cannot legally distribute, which very much says NDA.
It has nothing about connections, it’s about spending money for information and signing documents that you won’t share the details of said documents.
Eagle Dynamics, eSim Games, Razbam, etc do the same.
The context is;
brochure;
Video;
The flaw with that line of argument is inherent to it, the F-16 is a modular airframe with a significant number of unique configurations within them and that they were produced and refit asynchronously, As such.
PD-ILL as used by the APG-68, was developed and funded for a particular client (Egypt), via FMS credits and deployed on their newbuilt Block 42 airframes(Peace Vector III), this was later refit to their entire inventory of existing Block 32 airframes.
CHANGES IN U.S.-INTERNATIONAL ARMS TRADE PRACTICES
This is obviously a non-standard modification, made available solely for interceptor work due to lack of access to AMRAAMs (Israel related export restrictions), as an effort to prevent them sourcing interceptors from elsewhere and thus keep them constrained to the the technical capabilities what the US deemed sufficient for policing actions, not combat.
As to why it would be included considering that AMRAAM capability was implemented on US airframes with Block 25(delivered '84), that Sparrows would be implemented for post '92 airframes, considering that the AMRAAM had reached IOC by then.
It’s very unlikely to have happened, let alone remain by ~2006 or so, as per the configuration of the In game F-16C-50+.
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We’re not asking for them to actually supply said documentation, but at a minimum the name would do, and the location of the document / archive would be nice to assist tracking down our own copy.
They already do so with many sourced changes in the change logs anyway, so its not a unique case.
Ok, so a weapon manufacturer from a nation actively at war, shares information about a weapon which isn’t available anywhere publicly, with a company based in a nation which is part of a trading block which is a actively sanctioning the First Nation.
Come on man, it doesn’t pass the smell test.
This seems to violate no rules, so not sure why it was hidden.
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Logic isnt an issue when you are actively and knowingly trolling people.
where do you get su-30mk can carry it?
afaik only su-35, mig-35, su-57 and su34 can carry kh 38
su-35 brochure (states kh38mte and mle)
su-34
mig-29m2/mig-35
From the way he talks people might make the mistake that he actually plays in the BR he has so many opinions on, sadly this isn’t the case
Spoiler
All his Rank 8s with more than 50 games played. But he is an expert on SPAAs, CAS, weaponry at top tier somehow
4 nations with top tiers is more than a reasonable amount for someone to be experienced in the topic, even with a relatively low amount of matches
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That is still over 800 games, which is still a lot of time to get a feel of how the tier plays.
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you’re right, it gives him a lot of personal experience playing SPAA in 12.0
His 30 games in Pantsir is plenty of game time to know how the SPAA vs CAS meta works in top tier, especially against the Kh-38.
That is why he has such informed opinions
It seems like he used some CAS so he might know what works and what doesn’t, at least against him.
I’d stop worrying about intercepting munitions and start focusing on doing what’s really important: Destroying the plane itself.
I think this is something perfectly fine to assume even if you didn’t play anything at all. If you don’t kill the plane he can just come back at you again and again until you’re out of missiles.
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what pisses me off is that they couldve controlled everything and maintained balance by just choosing alternatives to the Kh38 and hammer AGMs
for example, the Kh-25MT and MTP which wouldve been slightly better maverick Bs and Ds respectively which almost all the most modern russian planes can take.
i have no doubt they could find other prototyped projects for NATO as well. all for the sake of balance.
and they wouldnt have had to inroduce these messed up long range, multi vehicle SPAAs either. because well well well, we dont need super long range anyway.
then the only issue left to fix would be proper single vehicle SPAAs for everyone aside from russia (pantsir) and then to implement proper mechanics and features of those SPAA such as ACLOS RFCLOS guidance.
this wouldve given them ample time to actually WORK on a stable and NON BROKEN new era of warthunder which can support and handle these ultra modern systems. if theyre ever even needed at all
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I have 6 soon to be 7 top BR ground trees, and soon after that will be 10.
I have all 10 in aircraft.
A few with helicopters, and am half way through 3 naval trees.
I’ve mained CAS from 2022 throughout late 2024.
I still play CAS on and off, but mostly in customs.
Also @Beeschurger you’ve literally stated my opinions more times than I can count as your own opinions.
@_Woe
Thanks for proving to everyone that I played top BR ground and have since 2019.
If I didn’t have this knowledge, I wouldn’t be able to back it up with my good performance.
This, exactly this. My use of CAS and my understanding of SPAA weaknesses is why I know what works and what doesn’t.
Pantsir helped somewhat, but I learned everything about Pantsir without having to play it and when I got to play it I did my best to avoid its weaknesses while using it.
I knew Pantsir’s weaknesses before I got it, and when I got it the weaknesses still existed.