KH-38 needs to be nerfed or removed. GRB is unplayable

What do you want instead, an AGDS? There’s no way in hell a SLAMRAAM, Stout, or even a damn Centurion would be able to stop a volley of these… Because even Russian PESAs on the Pantsir platform (and AESAs on anything from the last decade) or the 9K332 from a little over 2 decades ago are still receiving upgrades while almost all contemporary nations fail year after year to make a versatile air defense design.
It’s asking for a solution to a problem that hasn’t been addressed for the last 40 years.

The only “equals” that have been named so far were the Chaparral, the Stout and MSL, and current systems in game like the Crotale are quite literally the extent of most nations’ SPAA efforts. We’re still 2-3 decades behind in Eastern SPAA to begin with…

If there are any Western alternatives you can name, go ahead. If not… Why complain about one of two nations that has a huge fixation on mobile SHORAD systems having good mobile SHORAD systems?

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SU25SM3: moderate
SU34: sevre
SU34+SU30SM: very sevre
I really dont know whats the point of adding more and more broken-CAS options

Its an interesting point. We need counters. But there are no practical vehicles for almost all nationss, whicn might be introduced. Except stationary multi-vehicle SAM batteries with radar units, power units, and several launchers positioned around it. These possibly can’t be introduced into WT. Just imagine you need to deploy a multi vehicle SAM battery on a maps like ‘Factory’^^

I’ve got no ideas what can be done to stop these Strike jets using KH-38.

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They have confirmed new top tier spaa will be added to all nations this year. They also said that they are testing ways to make multi-vehicle spaa work.

Real question is which update this year will have it.

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we’re really not though lmao, most countries consider spaa systems to be obsolete stationary sites offer better capabilities with only marginal increase in vulnerability, what stationary sites cant do(offensive use) aircraft cover quite well. also as far as the game go most top tier systems are underperfoming to real life.

They could introduce them by giving them their own spawns like helipads, how multi-battery SAMs could function in game is another thing they have to solve.

for one maybe fixing how broken saclos guidance is and adding some of the realistic capability top tier spaas are missing is a good start

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Looks absolutely impressive until you learn they’re going against lvl 30s with 0.2 K/D and people that actually spawn 750 SP drones in a top tier game lmao.

Hopefully none

Dude I had a game that I was finally able to launch all 6 at the enemy’s… all of them did not kill additional they don’t have the effective range of a KH-38MT or the Hammer.

It’s almost like the soviet union had to make air defense becuase of western air superiority. I wouldn’t mine this employed in the game, something like russia gets some better air defense but weaker/less effective ATG weapons were western nations could get older systems but with stronger ATG weapons. Adding proper doctrines in the game could be really cool.

The Pantsir S1 is from the mid '90s, Tor-M1 is from the late '80s… And that isn’t even in the Soviet tree, China gets it exclusively!

Most countries consider self-propelled highly mobile anti-air to be… Obsolete, stationary sites?

Are you joking?

How so?

Who asked? Use your “western air superiority” to deny some Kh-38s if it’s such a problem.

the main modernization would be pantsi s1m, there are better newer systems, some have been upgraded in decent numbers but thing like pantsir SM have not, Tor has been upgraded once. chinese systems are different from russian systems, and they by far rely significantly less on mobile anti air systems compared to russia, as they actually have a competent air force.

we’ve had this argument already, spaas have been left behind by most nato countries for a reason, stationary sites can do the defensive job better, and aircraft can do to the offensive part better, hell we’ve seen ukraine use patriot offensively to decent effect too. im not getting in another argument about this here you clearly dont agree.

why are we still in this “new vs old” non sense
it doesn’t matter. capabilities matter.

kh38mt is both newer and more capable than most other AGM’s ingame, aasm 250 is slightly older than kh38mt but still way too strong imo. i just dont see why these weapons needed to be added.

which doesnt matter

which matters
because if it was newer and less capable it would be no problem

age does not matter. age never has mattered. it is pointless to mention it

it makes sense to mention it in a discussion about a weapons capabilities, not really in a discussion about its place in the game, like r77-1 shows its all about wether a weapon would be balanced ingame. aasm250 and kh38mt even after the cost increase arent balanced

it isn’t a factor in this game

no it does not. it only tells age. capabilities tell where it should be balanced

re read what i said please