Sry i m actually dumb xD. Later on the topic theres a guy that explained that LOAL doesnt work atleast for the time being
I will edit my post tho to dont make people lied lmao
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Only if the target didn’t move after launch and before it got within 12km.
USSR is not being buffed BTW.
Kh-38MT carriers are objectively inferior to the new SPAA being added.
With USA and Israel getting the best SPAA in the game, Germany getting the 2nd best.
China and Sweden tied for 3rd.
Any post claiming Kh-38MT will still be OP after all these new SPAA don’t realize that Kh-38MT users have to start from the runway now just like everyone else; Kh-38MT’s currently being OP on live server [a fact of course] will stop being the case when major update releases and people get these SPAA.
Any post claiming that Kh-38MT’s limited 12km lock range [1.5km if Gaijin ever changes Hammer and Kh-38MT] is larger than the 12 - 16km of the missiles, and 40 - 80km of datalink is just wrong…
Edit:
U replying to me?
That one is replying to you, yes.
Your post is only accurate if it doesn’t account the SPAA USA, Israel, and Germany are getting.
However, the new SPAA out-ranges all CAS in the game.
And if you play the Su-30SM the same way people are currently playing it [high altitude stand-off] you’ll die to Spyder, SLAMRAAM, and/or SLM before getting your missiles off.
What xD? SLM has 12km range then it loses all energy. Slamraam idk i tested it very poorly cuz its just broken so much atm
Slamraam probably has 12km range too. Its still amraam and easily dodged unlike IRIS-T,
I never said that brimstones are IR
I have no idea where i wrote that man xD. Could u please point it where i did write this?
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SLM has a range of 40km against a straight target, just like Pantsir has an 18km range against a straight target.
AMRAAMs are not easily dodged especially at higher altitudes.
And at lower altitudes there are AIM-9Xs.
Comparing missiles to IR guided missiles is implying all missiles involved are IR guided otherwise it’s a false equivalence fallacy.
Your post [hopefully unintentionally] omitted USA and Israel from your post, which have SPAA superior to the SLM.
And I see @Fluffy_Bucketles 's anti-reality.
Keep claiming we were wrong to call Kh-38MT OP, all you do is prove us correct.
That’s only in bad weather, yes?
Yet again, we see the fact that alvis will shift position at a moment’s notice to pretend someone calling them out is defending points they made earlier. To think, mate used to put some effort in.
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You know how Pantsir players launch on just-spawned vehicles?
Now that but with ARH/IR instead of SACLOS.
So if you don’t spawn airfield you have a ARH/IR guided missiles coming toward you very quickly.
I don’t get why there are posts still defending Kh-38MT, Hammer, and AGM-65D when SLAMRAAM, SLM, and Spyder are coming.
@Fluffy_Bucketles proving they can’t read.
There are no shifted positions present. Keep lying to defend your precious Kh-38MT.
Kh-38MTs are currently OP on live server, and were OP prior to these new SPAA.
The new SPAA make CAS no longer OP.
These are not contrary statements, they’re both factual statements.
Sure, but you implied that they were forced to spawn from the airfield, which isn’t the case unless it’s bad weather :)
You know war thunder players, they will always take the easy path, lol.
If they don’t spawn airfield they will die to SLM, Spyder, or SLAMRAAM instantly.
Bruh what the hell xD
Idk where did u get that magic 40km range. Its A LOOOOT. Curretnly it doesnt look like it has 40km range
I m not sure what u smoke but amraams are very easy to dodge especially up high and especially when its launched from ground with 0 speed
… What? XD
For now i cant say definitely. They are very broken at the moment SLM looks very promising at the moment
Any bugs that prevent maximum range against a straight target should be reported.
Just saying.
Starting at the airfield won’t do much regardless. The new AAs are pretty comfortably defeated in a gripen, Kh38 will only go from engaging ground targets at 20km to 25-30 depending on if you get it to play nicely with point locks.
The ranges being claimed are not remotely close to their effective range as implemented, which is very limited compared to cas yet again and still provides cas a comfortable buffer to strike and turn cold. Even in the event the range is improved, Kh 38 ML is now a very viable weapon to loose without lasing the target until the end of its approach from far longer ranges than IR weapons.
Short and long of it is Kh 38 and AASM aren’t threatened by the new AAs for the most part, but everything else is.
To reiterate my points I stated on this topic for everyone:
1- Kh-38MT on live server is currently OP.
2- SLAMRAAM, SLM, and Spyder will be more powerful than all CAS currently in the game.
Fluffy claimed these facts were wrong, with their posts denying reality.
Points I’ve made in other topics:
1- Assets should be made as accurate as possible.
1a- Kh-38MT should have its accurate 1.5km lock range based on available evidence instead of the copy-paste AGM-65D seeker it currently has.
2- If it’s proven the Kh-38MT program was cancelled, it should be removed as an available missile; the above correction to its seeker should happen regardless.
Any posts claiming these facts are wrong have a lot to prove in their defense of Kh-38MT.
For MT, GNSS will only be useful when lock is lost post launch. This means
- popping smoke won’t work
- kh38mt can now loft into the clouds and go exactly where it was last “seen” (by the seeker)
- the kh38mt reacquiring lock is a lot better than before as IOG had some drift. This makes really good against when there’s lot of trees and such in the way.
But for ML, GNSS will provide a major boon. Essentially, what you have is a mini-grom1 that can be controlled by laser if need be or in other words LOAL capabilities ( in a sense).
This means you get you can launch behind cover knowing that your agm will hit exactly on that point. Or you can launch at the last known location of an enemy, during the last 6-7 seconds of flight, pop up and guide the missile in to get an accurate hit.
Observe:
Alone, this strategy won’t be as effective but with a buddy feeding you coordinates of stationary vehicles and such, this will be extremely deadly.
The name of the game is to now hug the ground and do pop up attacks or extremely long range launches. Both of which can be done by kh38 platforms (except for SM3)
TLDR: T̶h̶e̶ M̶T̶ g̶o̶t̶ a̶ b̶u̶f̶f̶ (ongoing bug), The ML got a major buff.
people saying otherwise are being contrarians or haven’t touched the dev server.
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I’m so done with Gaijins excuses not to make Brimstone anywhere near what it should actually be.
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This one I think people are hand waving more than they should.
The laser guided munitions in general will be overall best for ground modes IMO.
Though the threat of SLS and AIM-9X will be present.
The tactics will change and CAS will do their best to do well, and I think it’ll be a rather balanced situation.
CAS will still get frags, but far less guaranteed with the new tactics.
The IR AGMs will stop being OP [still dangerous of course, just look at the balanced lower BRs where CAS can still do stuff despite SPAA being equal to it]; and the laser guided may very well stay “OP”, though more limited in total lethality.
It already didn’t care about smoke unless you deployed a lot of it and moved whilst hidden in smoke. That procedure is still the way to defeat it, so effectively nothing changed. It could already loft into clouds and go towards the targeted position, albeit with some drift. The reacquiring lock is not impacted by the GNSS, it is impacted by an IOG tweak that came along with the GNSS. GNSS does not get used post the missile acquiring a track lock.
This was already more or less the case, just at a shorter range on account of IOG drift (which has been more or less resolved as well as the GNSS addition). The increased range is facilitated by GNSS, so that is a benefit from the change. Which is what I was highlighting earlier, MT benefits very little from the GNSS change on account of the fact that GPS/GNSS is not used post tracking lock and requires a point lock for a launch, does benefit from an IOG change. But GNSS does facilitate ML being used at exceptionally long ranges against known positions, or at longer ranges against moving targets that you’ve managed to ID, as you can ID targets further than KH38MT will be compatible with a point target.
This change, however, does not make Kh 38 ML LOAL. Otherwise, following your logic, Brimstone is LOAL in its current state. Both are guided by an external factor (laser designator) which we can either opt to utilise throughout the approach, or in the final approach.
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