I disagree. I easily believe this aircraft is amazing where it at, and the missiles shouldn’t be over relied upon. It’s better than the F-5E in my opinion. Especially in Air RB.
F16A should definitely be 12.7 TBH
R-13M1s also are like aim9Gs not all aspect but higher range than the R60s
I do that on the lazur
They’re more useful than you’d think.
I used them enough to know theyre extremely niche and definetively not anything to rely on to rutinely score kills. Wouldnt definetively take them on Bis instead of any other missile.
There’s so much that’s flawed with the aircraft, which makes it stand out negatively among 11.0 aircraft. I cannot speak on behalf of the F-5E as I have not chosen to grind it yet, but the Kfir lacks countermeasures, a usable radar, a useful RWR, quantity and quality of missiles, among other things.
The Airframe itself is great and it flies well, but when compared to the MiG-21’s at 11.0, it lacks severely. The countermeasure location is also very frustrating and can occasionally get you killed due to its position.
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F-5A(G) Sweden
F-5E USA (9J much worse than 9L)
ah you got me
Not only does the kfir canard lack quantity of CMs, they also only work at the right side.
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blame the people who used it to rocket spam bases for months
the F5E has only aim9J’s I believe it is, and 45 CMs itself, as well as having a radar that is for the gun only.
The Kfir kanard is rightly equal at the same BR, though, as you say I wont speak on the behalf of the kfir, as I do not have it.
Eh not really, the Kfir has a far better engine which allows it to do better in the dogfights, as well as the fact the mig21s guns are unbelievably bad like they suck man the 23MM russian gun is horrible.
I said the same about the J35XS and had folks giving me dogs abuse xD it is what it is, the kfir is still a strong multi role capable plane thats the thing. it can do fine at its Br in A2A it just doesn’t have the same match impact as say, an F4E at 11.3
I hate it because the Kfir’s airframe is promising. If the vehicle simply had a some kind of All-Aspect missile instead of it’s Aim-9G, it would feel so much better.
From what I can see and my Friend’s perspective on the F-5E, it appears that the real issue is planes like the Mig-21 and Mig-23 with all-aspect missiles being at 11.0. It doesn’t help that the F-5E FCU is only 11.3 and gets 4 All-Aspect missiles (with 2 Python 3)
From using both, I can comfortably say these two guns feel similar. Back when the SPS-K came out, I was using them nearly all the time.
Nah the F5E is quite a lot better than them in most regards, the draw back is the missiles thats it.
The F5E has good enough engines that it can accelerate and keep up with the mig21s acceleration (just not top end speed) same with mig23, so it can actually out rate them in a dogfight providing you play it right.
The issue is now everyone just looks at missiles rather than the whole package.
Ive used both as well, ive got france to near top tier and britain to top tier all use adens. As well as isreal to nearly the first mirage clone.
The aden cannons are brilliant if you learn the velocity, the issue with the GSH is you cannot make errors with it, for me its a last ditch thing, the adens are a go to.
Atm 10.7 would be a fine br for it, if we get like 15.0 then maybe bump it up a bit, but currently its just eh, like a kfir canard cant really do much against a f4s phantom that keeps its alt bc the moment the kfir climbs for it, the f4s will radar missile it, the same to a lesser extent with the mig23s
Maybe even 10.3.
J-35XS - 6x Aim-9P with IRST slaving = 10.3
J-7D - 4x excellent PL-5B = 10.7
Mirage IIIE - 2x magic, 1x R530 (not very useful but still) = 10.7
F-4EJ - 4x Aim-7E (still front attack missile), 4x Aim-9P = 11.0
F-5A(G) - 2x Aim-9L and better airframe (but worse engine) = 11.0
Would fit nicely with the F-8U-2, which has 4x Aim-9D (worse missiles, mostly in caged seeker during lock has but more of them)
i was thinking of getting it, test flew it and went “nah, im good”
Main issue is low missile quantity, and quality for the small quantity (at least mirage iiie has magic which are much better)
completely covered by it’s ridiculous engine signature and flight performance.