there is no need of equivalents because there is no equivalents mate the Python-4 is the best IR missile of this generation its what it is and it needs to be added because if they add it later with the new generation of IRs it would get technologically overpassed by other IR missiles with imaging seekers. and like the leakers said about the perfomance of this missile, it feels like a “long range” AIM-9M with excelent manouvrability and the IRCCM is similiar and only marginally better.
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Yep these are old and part of either mods, custom missions, and just flat out fake.
The Python 4 visual model is already in the files, which is what I’d assume it using.
It hasn’t been “leaked” yet, the best we have is the existent of the missile in the files as well as the devs stating they were considering adding the Python 4 to the Barack II at one point, but ended up giving it the Aim-7M instead.
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You know nothing about how the Python 4 is IRL than.
It has stinger IRCCM, meaning near unflarsble, and VASTLY superior to the Aim-9M or even the R-73 for that matter.
It pulls 70Gs, has monstrous kinematic performance, and can re-engage targets (similar to the Aim-9X) and is near unflareable to every extent…
If it doesn’t end up being that way ingame, that gaijin is likely gimping it purposely (such as they did with the AAM-3 IRCCM by copying the Aim-9M IRCCM to it instead of giving it the actual IRCCM it historically had, or even not giving the Matra Magic 2 IRCCM at all for the longest time…)
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in game models cannot be used to make custom missions with it, second these cannot be fake because is not a leak the missile is there they just wanted to show what jets are going to recive the missile they didnt want to leak anything because there is no thing to leak is more to show something that is going to happen.
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You can make your own aircraft that resemble aircraft currently represented ingame, I believe I’ve seen someone just fully copy paste an ima game plane to a custom battle. You can also modify the game to show altered or modded weaponry on aircraft, I’ve seen it plenty of times before in weapons “leaks”…
are you actually know who are you talking to? Hello its me!!! the israeli encyclopedia you actually know nothing about this mate, you are literally insulting me haha, and no its not unflarable is not vastly superior it does not have monstrous kinematics, and if your problem is that the missile can make a 180 degree well let me tell you that literally all the FOX-3 that we have right now can do that the MICA-EM is insanely good for that, the “stinger IRCCM” you say, well let me tell you that stinger IRCCM is the most primitive one FIM-92A IR/UV Seeker, also the AAM-3 have this irl, the AAM-3 entered in service in 1992 started to be developed in the early 80s and the Python-4 entered in service in 1994 started to be developed in the mid 80s with technology from the 80s, and maaa man if you are comparing those 2 missiles with something like the 9X, MICA-IR, IRIS-T, ASRAAM, PL-10 is a totally wrong take those missiles have IMAGING SEEKERS, LOAL, LOBL, INS and some missile much more range than the AAM-3 and the Python-4 we have atleast 10 yearsss 10 damn YEARS!!! of difference in the technological development of those missiles is just insane, soo please man before talking non sense and Discredit me without knowing me thinks twice what you are going to say.
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you actually know that if you alter in game files you can get banned right? just saying.
I am aware, but it’s still possible my friend, and I have a feeling those “leaks” are from that…
Wow, humble too :)))
(I kid I kid, I’m not trying to start an argument, and I’m sorry if I came off as rude originally, as in retrospect is seemingly have… just want to get this out of the way before i send another message so this is apparent. My apologies.)
yea am not saying its impossible but its not either easy too, soo… the question is who in his right mind would waste time making a whole video from 0 to just show something “fake” is just stupid if you think it well, am just gonna wait for next week to see what is going to happen but i still think that the Python-4 is coming this update, just look at the state of the Baz Meshupar is really evident that it need some help atleast the Python-4 would make it competitive in close combat scenarios and actually make it a sidegrade of the MSIP II and the J(M).
all good man, am not saying that the Python-4 is not an amazing missile and its not gonna shine being the most dangerous IR missile if its added, but seriously speaking and like i said before the Python-4 is the best of his generation (AAM-3, AIM-9M, R-73, MAGIC-2) people actually needs to assume that the Python-4 needs to come before we get the 9X, IRIS-T, ASRAAM, MICA-IR, PL-10 this missiles are more contenders of the Python-5. PS: and if the Python-4 comes a little bit gimped it would be ok because no matter what it would bring something new and different improving the combat efficiency of some jets specially the Baz Meshupar.
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Shittttt. That rada’ is crazy
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I guess Kfir C.10 Blk 60 would be 14.3 or 14.7 BR
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If you give it proper launch parameters it pretty much is. But yea unflareable doesn’t fully exist I’ll admit, however this would be THE strongest IRCCM on an IR guided missile (Air to air wise, and helis and their missiles excluded :P) in the game at this point in time. Go ahead and try to flare some old fashioned Stingers rear aspect, wait actually also try some front aspect! You’ll find it’s quite hard… (when you don’t out pull them haha)
I mean this is a sense of comparison to any modern or comparable Fox-2 missile which tend to use thrust vectoring (Aim-9X, ASRAAM [apparently the ASRAAM doesn’t have thrust vectoring, which is surprising if you look at it and its control surfaces visually… I’ll need to read up on that], IRIS-T, R-73/R-73M, R-74/R-74M, PL-10, and MICA-IR) , which is known for bleeding speed at the expense of high AOA and tight turning circles. The Python 4 would have a decently hard time losing speed from turning or corse correction, but might have decently high drag with the large amount of control surfaces that gives it its large amount of lift/G-pull. The missile will be just as potent as any thrust vectoring IRCCM missile in a dogfight from what I’ve read, it should have quite high range compared to all the IR missiles we already have ingame (R-27ET excluded).
The ability for an IR missile to re-engage a target during a dogfight it quite huge (and any ARH missile is easily chaffed in dogfights or when attempting to destroy a target heading in the opposite direction from it) it’s something no other IR missile has ingame, and would be extremely potent at making any seemingly poorly made missile launch a probable kill. *there’s a reason the Aim-9X is so feared by the DCS (yes I know, muh DCS) community, that and the smokeless motor causing it to jumpscare people haha.
A potent IRCCM for a air to air missile nonetheless, it’s not Python 5 or late stinger levels of flare resistance, but frankly every aircraft ingame will probably have trouble flaring this thing rear aspect, and to an extent other aspects as well.
Oh yeah I’m aware. They gimped the poor thing and copy pasted the IRCCM from the Aim-9M (T-T)
I boi, I sure hope they don’t do that to the pythons as well…
(looks at Python 3 with Aim-9L seeker head)
Some of the later ones do indeed have better capabilities, there’s no denying that (especially LOAL). The Python 5 is definitely part of that group in that regard, but the Python 4 is more or less in between that era and the one we currently have in war thunder. I would personally say it’s comparable tot he first block of the Aim-9X and the AAM-3, however you’re right in the fact it’s quite… old and ineffective compared to some of the newer missiles it can find itself being compared too.
Indeed, however as I’ve made apparent, I fear it would be too strong (if gaijin doesn’t gimp it like the AAM-3). It’s ahead of its time and would be easily one of the strongest IR missiles on any aircraft ingame (aside for the R-27ET…)!
Gaijin could just nerf its IRCCM, or maybe G-pull, and it’s probably be fine…
But a missile with 70Gs of pull, a Smokeless Motor, (early) Stinger IRCCM, ability to re-engage targets, a medium range IR missile (essentially), self limiting thrust for an optimal turning circle, and extremely aerodynamic design that allows for high AOA and tight turns without using thrust vectoring of any kind…
(inhales for some air after that mouthful)
miiiiight be just a tab much for the game at this moment in time…
Hopefully that last bit got my point across a bit better…
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Only 4 missiles, and 36 countermeasures. Its looking to be a 13.3 ish vehicle, especially if it comes without Python 4s…
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If you’ve spent enough time on the internet, there are indeed individuals who are willing to lie or falsify things for some attention (cough cough doctored images such as the ones in the Kfir 2000 suggestion thread)
I have no doubt in my mind altering or copying some game files isn’t much of a moral line for them to cross…
All they have to do is give it the same radar as the American F-15C MSIP II so we can have a TWS mode and HMD radar locking and I’m sure it’ll all be fine.
Also allowing the Baz to have Derby’s on the outer wing pylons would be nice, as they’re much better than Aim-120s for dogfights or super close range snap shots. Just having two of them would be quite nice.
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Kfir C.10 basic at 13.7 with Elta EL/M-2032 radar, armed 4x Python 3 & Python 4 and 4x Derby
I don’t want lack Python 4
Kfir C.10 Blk 60 armed 4 IR AAM & 4 active radar homing and small countermeasures like Kfir C.10 but fitted ELTA ELM-2052 AESA radar and enable Python 5
It’s true Kfir C.10 Blk 60 3rd gen airframe but advanced fire control radar, domestic israel precision-guided munition and IR AAM
I predict Kfir C.10 Blk 60 battle rating 14.7 higher 4th gen fighter with medium-range active radar homing missile but similar to lightweight 4++ gen fighter aircraft with AESA radar
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Up to 72 countermeasures.
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AFAIK it keeps the same countermeasures system as the previous Kfir variants, which means 36. Where did you get 72 from?
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Well I see I ain’t changing your mind, but I guess this will age quite well when it does come…
Like man the max BR we have is 13.7 and the F-15C is literally better than it in almost every way my guy… why the hell do you think it would ever be 14.7???
(Also the “precision guided ordnance” won’t matter for Air RB)
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