Kamov Ka-52 Alligator/Hokum-B - Technology, Discussion and Balance

They can move the original up in br and replace it with the one above. The ka52 we have in game was added too early with the gimicks it has

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Ka-52 “061”, one of earliest produced Ka-52, basicaly a testbed, that was quite different with time
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What’s the late one? Also with the number 061

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It should have no bearing on missiles before they are launched, unless they are static IRCM placements.

Can you provide that clear evidence? Every time I ask for Ka-52s being downed by Stingers I get the same video of an Mi-24P 3 times in a row.

Sorry if I introduce myself into this discussion, even if it doesn’t have much to do with it, but the new Italian Fenice helicopter should also have the DIRCM, do you think it is the same as that of the KA-52, or is it some more advanced model, furthermore for my complete ignorance, how many helicopters in real life and in game use DIRCM???

At least by game standards they would be same.

In game Mi-28NM and Ka-52. IRL some non-US Ah-64 have DIRCM and US seems to start installing them on AH-64E.

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Maybe start to read some Think Thanks studies, etc. I do not relly on youtube, facebook or any other social media as a source of information. I am old school, reading articles, books etc. Try google, and some good question, he will find something to read for you. But even you should understand that , 40 Ka52s were not shootdown all by heavy machinegun, or ATGM launcher.
There is definitely a weakness in DIRCM, I can imagine it works on longer ranges, like 3-4km + , but at close range the system maybe does not have time to react. In this game DIRCM is modeled, that it does not even wait for launch of the missile.

The thing is that the DIRCM shouldn’t effect the Stingers with the POST seeker(FIM-92B and later & MIM-72G), for a few reasons.

  • The use of the UV channel which is well outside the Laser’s bandwidth, so provides a guidance channel that should be unimpacted by the projected jamming signal.

  • The Seeker’s response to some types of countermeasure is to switch from a Rosette pattern to Conical scan and so reduces the FoV as well as the ability to blank a channel’s guidance input and push ahead like the AIM-9M pending countermeasure detection, which in later variants can be reprogramed, which alters the required jamming signal to defeat.

  • Ability to use a IR/UV Contrast channel for extended range (by the strictest definition it isn’t Photo-contrast due to Rosette scan being a *pseudoimageing technique *, since it’s a single detecting element[ in the POST seeker’s case it’s a twined co-axial detector ] that is procedurally scanned across a scene)

Abstracted from various excerpts from the following patent;

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L370 works in UV wavelenghts on top of IR. iirc it was advertised as this and also a videos of dual seeker missiles getting jammed exist to back this up.

Those likely only work against flares instead of DIRCM. The only debate left is if IIR seekers are actually immune to it, as there isn’t much information available

Which missiles though? Most Soviet / Russian seekers bar the SA-29(Verba) use different sections of IR wavelengths which is feasible to use a broadband laser to block simultaneously, I’ve not looked that hard but never seen anything about it dealing with UV, and we know since we can’t see visible light from the turrets that its not broadband in that sense.

That’s a big assumption to make, and since Stingers are reprogrammable there is no reason why they couldn’t be hardened against whatever technique that they use since jammers need to insert specific false returns into the guidance algorithms to work against a specific method.

Further there were developments to use the AIM-9X’s IIR seeker mounted on a stinger rocket (FOTS) which never materialized so if it had been necessary it would have been done

The only way to beat IIR seekers is basically Blank them entirely and so either burn out the pixels that they use, or use total internal reflection of the optical elements to hide in both require a ridiculous amount of energy over a tiny area to to work, so really isn’t an option for installations where they don’t have dedicated power generation specific for the system in question, let alone a complicated turret that allows for the laser to be focused which is yet another technical challenge since arrays are likely to be quite heavy on top of surviving the energy that you are trying to kill the seeker with.

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An image of Optical track on Ka-52 from another Ka-52 from behind with the distance of 12Km.

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What about TY-90s?

I believe the second one to be a modernized Ka-52.

iirc, some IIR seekers (like the IRIS-T) can “home on jam” as well, protecting the seeker while guiding based on the source of DIRCM until said source is lost.

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