K2NO Black Panther

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Mi-28A was added because Sweden has no domestic attack helicopters, or any for that matter. It has no problem with MBTs however, hence the comparison is wrong.

T-80U was however, a mistake that should’ve never happened. I think the only reason it’s a T-80U is because the other 3 options would’ve been;

  • Leopard 2IMP (that realistically belongs to Germany)
  • M1A2… be real
  • Leclerc S1… be real again.

Well, technically speaking, 4 - there’s also the MBT-2000 or whatever the Swedes called it, but that vehicle was nothing more than a mock-up afaik, so.

except its somehow Germany players when other tech trees get something they can get in the future. Meanwhile nothing has been taken away at all from Germany and they can still potentially get food anyways.

Sureeee, lets completely ignore how Gaijin went full damage control and had a community manager come down and tell German players they might get a KF41 in the future, because the devs originally stated they will never get it.

Also lets ignore how Sweden got the Leopard 2A6, or how Italy has German vehicles that Germany itself doesn’t, and will likely never get because they’re “unique”.

I think it fullfills the same function as the T-80U does for Sweden, it adds flavor to an otherwise monotone top tier MBT line-up. That is the same function the K2PL can fulfill if its added to Germany in the form of Poland Sub-tree

You’re operating under the misconception that Germany will ever receive a sub-tree, and if they get any, it will most likely be the Netherlands, which MBT wise offers nothing new. Poland is big enough to be a standalone tree, unlike Finland or Hungary.

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How is it wrong? That is the basis that was used to add it to the game. There is allready attack helicopters in the tech tree, this was added as a premium.

So you have decided it was a mistake.

I guess i shouldn’t have opened this can of worms since i guess this is somehow a KF41 thread now.

Actually im just saying what the K2PL could do in the German tree if it was added there. I could have used Japan getting the K2PL as an example of what purpose it would serve, but given Germany allready has the Leopard 2PL it seems logical to go there.

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Are you okay? I already explained why the comparison is wrong, in fact it’s fully self-explanatory. Sweden has no attack helis IRL - go for the low hanging fruit since it’s the only option. Sweden a lot of options for MBTs, hence there’s absolutely zero need to go for the K2 because other vehicles already fill in the spot.

I guess i shouldn’t have opened this can of worms since i guess this is somehow a KF41 thread now.

I gave you a valid example and you didn’t take it because it doesn’t fit the narrative you have going on, lol.

Actually im just saying what the K2PL could do in the German tree if it was added there. I could have used Japan getting the K2PL as an example of what purpose it would serve, but given Germany allready has the Leopard 2PL it seems logical to go there.

The only, and I mean it, reasons why Germany has the 2PL is because;

  • it’s a Leopard 2
  • it was developed by Germany on the request of Poland
  • it was partly built in Germany

Now show me how any of those points are relevant to Sweden and the K2 NO, or Germany and K2 PL.

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They don’t have to be. I explained why i mentioned Germany, that is the only reason i mentioned the 2PL.

I ask how is that wrong? Why cant we extend trialed vehicle criteria to unique vehicles tailored to a nation?

And by that the K2NO is an option that can be added in the future. Multiple vehicles have been added under the basis that it has been trialed. At least this one is unique. Is it the first in line of vehicles that should be considered for addition? No, but its among the vehicles that fullfill pre-existing criteria.

I mean it can go to Korean sub-tree for all i care if one is to be adamant that it can’t go as a part of Norwegian tree.

I didnt touch it:

  1. This Isn’t a KF41 thread
  2. KF41 in some form is still elligable to be added to Germany. As you admitted yourself.
  3. A nation getting a vehicle doesn’t exclude others from getting it. KF41 is not an example of that happening, in fact it shows quite the opposite as you yourself said where they flipped on earlier statements. Meanwhile do i need to mention how much copy-paste there is?
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They have to be, Germany has got nothing to do with the K2 PL. You’re ignoring that fact.

I ask how is that wrong? Why cant we extend trialed vehicle criteria to unique vehicles tailored to a nation?

How is this relevant to the Mi-28A?

And by that the K2NO is an option that can be added in the future. Multiple vehicles have been added under the basis that it has been trialed. At least this one is unique. Is it the first in line of vehicles that should be considered for addition? No, but its among the vehicles that fullfill pre-existing criteria.

No. It’s arguably the best K2 on the market currently until K2 PL comes out (which is still a few years off). Those “multiple vehicles” are usually one off things in case the nations 100% lacks a counterpart - see Mi-28A again.

Stuff like T-80U or Hunter F.58 and even T-90S were all mistakes - the amount of people that were angry at them was huge.

Now, can you type out a list of other vehicles in a similar situation to the Mi-28A? Mind you, T-90S and Hunter F.58 were never trialed by the nations they went to, in fact neither nation had never even had a simple example of either on their home soil. In Hunter’s defence, Gaijin stated it was there to plug a capability gap that Germany had at 9.7 - this situation will never apply to the K2 NO, because Leopard 2s will be plugging it.

I didnt touch it:

Because it doesn’t fit your narrative. KF 41 problem is a perfect example of how Gaijin treats those situations.

As I also stated, Gaijin had only committed to maybe adding to Germany because of the insane backlash they got from it - for a few days it was the most trending thread on the forum.

If it wasn’t for dozens of players on the forum, hundreds of people on the subreddit, and prolly a metric ton more on steam - Gaijin would’ve never changed their stance on it. That’s the thing, KF 41 was originally a no-go, a vehicle that was to remain unique to Italy because “Germany doesn’t use it” (therefore they set down a requirement that a vehicle has to be in service for it to be added - contradicting previous vehicle additions).

All in all Gaijin is full of contradictions, but I still think K2 NO is a no-go for Sweden simply because they’ve got other vehicles that can be used in its place, all of them are also more capable.

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+1, but not in the near future, as Swedish tree is already packed at the moment. I suppose we will have to wait for some time for rank 8 expansion to see stuff like this added, maybe after South Korea was added in some form that we will have do discuss where this tank should go.

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Then its an option should they want to add flavor. Be it to Sweden or wherever Korean sub-tree ends up. Like to some extent i fully support Gaijins arbitrary restrictions as long as they are open about why they added something.

And now its on the table again. Gaijin walking back statements or being really dumb about additions etc etc is nothing new.

I see where you are comming from with the KF41, but i dont think it really works in this situation. Especially since this is just a suggestion for addition.

Edit: also because KF41 is a vehicle delivered to Hungary on smaller series production to then be built in Hungary. It is otherwise just a German prototype/trial vehicle. In this case its a mainstay of the Korean army for which a unique variant of that being trialed for a potential customer nation

Out of those, i would only consider the T-80U a misstake in the same way the Mi-28a, and AHS are misstakes. They are non-unique trial vehicles. And i think “unique” should be a critical in deciding if its relevant. If the K2NO was like the Leopard 2A4NO, in that its just a base K2/2A4, then i would 100% agree they are not suitable addition due to them just being trialed.

Gameplay wise they are all nice flavour adders.

It would be Sweden with the T-80U, AHS and Mi-28a. They afaik the only one who have gotten trial vehicles, which as the factor that made them eligable i think is extremely lackluster justification. If they were unique in some way, like of the T-80U got composite blocks as part of being trialed, sure, then they should be on the table

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Germany can receive Leopard 2A7+ and 2A8, they don’t need Norway to pad their ground… or air.
Norway doesn’t use Leopard 2A7+ as @FurinaBestArchon incorrectly implied, it ordered 2A8, which War Thunder isn’t ready for T-14, 2A8, M1A2 SEP3, and so forth.

And at the end of the day, this is about 2KNO, not 2KPL, not Leopards, not anything else.
People getting mad over Sweden potentially getting something to compete with other nations for 12.0 makes little sense to me.

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A good offer but the K2 tank would also be a good addition to the UK because the former British protectorate, the Sultanate of Oman, procured the K2 MBT and if Sweden could get the K2NO MBT as a supplement, then the UK would have to get the K2 MBT from the Sultanate of Oman. After all, the UK and the Sultanate of Oman have a very close relationship in political and military cooperation (the Sultanate of Oman purchased the British Challenger 2 main battle tank), and currently have the T90S Bhithama main battle tank from India as an example, hope to see the K2 main battle tank in the game as soon as possible

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i dontfully understand why so many of you absolutely want to have for example the 2A7NO in the German tree instead of in the Swedish tree. more top tier mtb’s to the Swedish tree but to the German tree doesnt matter? XD

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I’d rather you not try me on this topic, since I am 110% positive you did not understand what I meant there by that.

People getting mad over Sweden potentially getting something to compete with other nations for 12.0 makes little sense to me.

You should honestly stop talking, you’re probably not even aware Strv 123 exists.

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oh boy xd

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the 123 doesnt exist what are you talking about?

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Oh really?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1000165199497674812/1134642169550995517/image.png?ex=6529df5d&is=65176a5d&hm=f2dc3ff0ed346451c29bbacd23aaaa1a29d0d05799fabca2ed9f7dd70e7b1d46&=&width=399&height=100

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Wow there’s like nothing about this vehicle man… you’d think Sweden would announce something and not the guy from Frank Lobitz, the Vice Project Manager. wack…

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Go re-read my post, the table about “Leopard 2 Programs” comes from KMW, it was posted on the net back in July.

Then again, that’s just supporting evidence for Lobitz’s statements, who is also a Lieutenant Colonel in the German Armed Forces.

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Wonder why the Swedish havent said anything… weird they usually do a show like what they did for the Centurion replacement

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Intersted in that as well, but it’s a pretty clear-cut that it’s happening, and will be here by ~2025 per KMW.

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I mean its nearly the end of 2023 2024 is in like 2 months and if the 123 is suppose to be in Swedish hands by 25 hats only like a year to not only announce but to get them… tho tbh I suppose it wont take that much to upgrade the 122 considering its probs just a sight swap along with a gun swap.

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it is in development, it doesnt exist jsut like 2a8