Just some input on the British getting M61 Shot in the next update

I think it would be fair to take away the M72 shot as a the BASE round, and give them M61 Shot (AKA the old Solid M61 AP)

And have the top round be the M61 Shell, Because the British used both rounds, M61 Shot was the version with the Filler removed, and M61 Shell still had the filler intact.

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ALSO, PLEASE don’t bump the Churchill MkVII up just because its getting APHE, it already has armor that only works in a Downtier, and barely at that, as any long 75 PZIV can KO it from the front.

The APHE is only gonna give it a edge in a uptier, where there are tanks that it can’t pen and do damage to normally with the Solid AP it did have.

Things like the Cromwell and such i could understand going up, because hyper mobile Mediums, But the MKVII? a tank that already is having issues with its armor and such? especially with the changes to the air intakes on the side making them surprisingly easy kills?

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Now, not only with the churchy 7 be literally unkillable from all angles for the Kv-8, but now it will be able to nuke the Kv-8 with solid shot.

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And?

Also the KV8 is heavily under tiered NGL, its a KV1 ZIS-5 armor wise, Which is arguably tougher than the MkVII Churchill.

Churchill has weakspots, the vents on the side and turret roof especially. Which any soviet 76mm can exploit with ease. The KV8 has only strong, and stronger spots.

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Maybe gaijin shouldn’t have added a tank with 5.0 armor, and a 1.0 gun.

thats on them for that.

The KV8 has the same exact armor as the KV1 Zis-5, and the German KV1C.

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best 4.7 heavy in the game would Be OP id rather keep it the way it is the only way to kill it is hitting a weak spot that is a hair line on the turret frontally and if you angle its over -1

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More like 2.7 armor. The M4A3 (105) can atleast stop a short 75mm.

Counterpoint; put the Churchill VII up to 5.0 so it can fight Tiger Es.

watch it go up in BR because the russian and german mains cant learn to aim

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It should go up for getting APHE alone.

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lets put the 13mph infantry tank with 104mm of pen at the same BR as a panther why not?

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Worse effective armor than the Panther too, because Gaijin doesn’t understand Cast armor, or surface hardened armor.

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I absolutely agree. Make M61 shot standard with M61 shell unlockable. We also need to see M86 shell for the 57mm OQF Mk iii and OQF Mk VI

I’ve honestly thought for a LONG time the Churchills were actually overtiered.

Sure they have armor, But the armor doesn’t make them invincible, they are easy to flank, and the Guns were underwhemling as hell, Which likely won’t change with APHE being added. Because its Gaijin, they will find some random 1 off test report about how the british halfed the HE filler in the rounds or something as a test, and take that as Gospel.

If the Churchill VII goes up to 5.0. It gets into the same problem it has right now at 4.7. In a full uptier, it stands zero change against a Tiger E.

2.7 Valentine with M61 is quite funny but it’ll probably go up.

I think the best solution is for all the British 75’s to keep the M61 solid shot and the Churchill VII gets the M61 explosive but stays at 4.7

Or they Finally give the British their home grown AP rounds.

The british 75 didn’t exclusively use American AP, they had their own rounds for the guns, that performed better than the American AP, its just that the American AP rounds were easier to get hold of than to tool up a Production plant for their own AP.

Hell, there was even a APDS round developed for the gun that brought it to performance on par with the American 76mm with APHE.

What APHE did Britain manufacture for the 75mm? I cant find anything online

They didn’t, The British stopped using APHE for their Tank canons En-Mass with the 2 pounder, every gun before that was a Primarily APHE based gun.

There were home grown solid AP rounds for the British 75 that performed better than the M61 Shot.

They just were never used En-mass, or left prototype stages, due to the costs of tooling up a factory, When they already had shells that were “Good Enough” Coming from America (that good enough being a shell so bad they started stripping German Short 75 rounds down for the projectiles and fuses, and retrofitting them into american Shells early in the war)

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I don’t think any QF 75mm guns were only in service before the M72 was relegated to a training round. So stock M61 Shot and then unlockable M61 Shell does make sense here.

M3 GMC, Lee/Grant, and 75mm Sherman’s should go M72 → M61 Shot → M61 Shell.

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The US is also missing this post-war 75mm projectile. Which could be given to a future M4A3 75 and the Chaffee.

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If you don’t want it to go up, why ask for buffs?