Just remove Turms-T and BMP-2M at this point

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Hallo!

It’s just my opinion,

T-72AV (Turms-T) and BMP-2M is just awful, at least after Alpha Strike update made their situation even worse.

I know exist people complaining about it begin OP, both Turms-T and BMP-2M but as a player which have both, it’s just no good and I don’t see that they are OP. I’m sorry.

T-72AV (Turms-T) have horrible mobility in general, if you don’t keep straight line will be slow as hell, vertical are horrible as well, horizontal is mediocre and the armor doesn’t fits well at it’s BR, some how T-72A performs better than this. You can see how bad Turms-T is just looking at it brother tanks: T-72B (1989) for example, blud have Kontakt-5 at 10.0 which is fine, doesn’t have that monstrous mobility as T-80s for USSR TT standards and doesn’t have a broken damage model. If wasn’t for people complaining (which is fine), Turms-T was in 9.7 since forever;

BMP-2M is also bad at 10.0, the only thing that almost saves it is the missile, but the main armament is awful, I mean, APFSDS do almost no damage even in a long burst, and the missile woobly up and down at close ranges, but after all the vehicle is fine but 10.0 makes it useless.

And why I’m saying all this?

USSR now have better options: T-80UD that have a good armor, good mobility except by the reverse, and good gun handling, fast moving and things,

2S38 as a IFV way better than BMP-2M in all aspects, so good at a point that, even if it had ATGMs would be useless, works good against ground and works good against air: perfection

That’s all I have to say, thank you for reading.

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And a better shell, better frontal armor, better optics, ERA…

Yes it is, it tanks front plate shots from most adversarys like 2A4 or M1

T-72 isnt OP, but this is an atrocious take. BMP-2M is very good

They are 30mm, thats why it has a very very fast fire rate.

I agree, I think T-80UD is OP too. I don’t think that makes the TURMS and 2M useless though.

If you think the BMP-2M is bad, I challenge you to play the M3A3 Bradley

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Lol

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And a better shell, better frontal armor, better optics, ERA…

3BM42 is a standard for 9.7 and above on USSR, about frontal armor is the same in T-72A, only 10mm more of RHA, about the optics, yes, you are right, Kontakt-1 only has 5mm against kinetic rounds. Doesn’t make a huge difference on protection, but I would like to experience this Bias people finds on Turms-T. And again with T-72B, if you look at its composite armor you’ll see way more material. I think pack vehicles are at some point weaker than its counterparts on TT.

Yes it is, it tanks front plate shots from most adversarys like 2A4 or M1

I agree, but compare it’s mobility and survivability to the others at its BR range

If you think the BMP-2M is bad, I challenge you to play the M3A3 Bradley

Sure, why not. I can try to share my Kdr in a few matches with it.

About BMP-2M I just don’t have much to say than this.

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The whole 10.0 area of russian tanks, more premium area, just sucks.

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Cry me a river, the 120S has a 750hp engine at the same BR and 56.2 tons to move around, the TURMS is not even remotely close to the worst 10.0 mobility wise.

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