A slight correction:
It is only for AP.
APCR has it set to 2, while HEAT and HE has 0.
It also only does this normalization when the initial angle is less than 70 deg, since it is the auto-bounce angle.
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Not like WT is so damn realistic xd.
Yes that is decent protection against a round that can lolpen almost everything that it sees. And I also say decent protection because that incorporates more than a one directional concept of protection. The crew are spaced out meaning that he has to pick his poison: gunner (commander override), breech (which is a diceroll shot), or loader.
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I have played hundreds and hundreds of matches in this vehicle and I can not once recall an instance where I have been killed in that manner, thats such a niche way to kill the vehicle, maybe the person doing it deserves that kill for thinking outside the box.
I was hull down in this thing and one of those exact AMX TOA losers tossed 10 rounds into me non stop, emptied his loader and I was just a stuck fish, he ran out of his stupid auto loaded ammunition and had to crawl back in his pit giving me time to repair. I later one shot him. Lets not pretend that everyone who faces you is an expert on tank knowledge.
As i said, sometimes even 90mm HEAT will OP it. If you can’t understand it, then visit a doctor.
I used that tank as an example due to it having only a 100mm gun, and to illustrate that even that can just HE it.
Bros mad that he isnt invulnerable to ammunition that can basically lolpen everything, and as I said earlier, the Conqueror is much better protected against HEAT than most other heavy tanks, especially 90mm and smaller.
A BMP shooting the UFP with the spaced cover will struggle to penetrate.
And you can say sometimes if you want, sometimes a M22 can kill a top tier tank, and?
I have more experience in this vehicle than anyone in this thread most likely, I will tell you, overpressure of this specific instance is extremely rare. I have never experienced it in this way. I have experienced overpressure when a massive round passes through the mantlet, and for some reason, sometimes when one actually fails to get through the breach armor.
You should look at likelyhoods, APHE to the cupola (which I havent experienced in a long time likely due to bushes), rounds passing through the breach, Lower Front plate, not a super rare instance of someone using HE when most people dont touch it, or HEAT overpressuring the crew which is probably a bug.
No. My issue is that this tank is shit in every meaningful way possible.
I dont want Op armor, in fact i very rarely rely on armor at all. However the tank itself forces me to rely on the non-existing armor of this pile of crap.
I wasnt even talking about anything similar to this.
Have you seen single atoms with your eye? I bet you haven’t, so this means that atoms are very rare!
Yeah buddy that makes a lot of sense!
Not even attempting fair play but okay.
HEAT means “High explosive anti tank”. You know, it has EXPLOSIVES in it. The hatch is 17mm cast, so the effective thickness is ~15mm, so somewhere around ~8-900g of TNT (I dont remember the exact value) in ANY shell will overpressure the whole tank.
90mm HEAT is due to armor hole around the mantlet, but 100-105mm HEAT and higher will just normally OP it.
If you dont understand it then again, visit a doctor.
How how often this happens?
Well, i almost exclusively use this method to deal with the Conq.
A HESH or HE(AT) to the turret roof, or to the turret front and the tank is gone.
Gaijin just needs to fix APDS. It’s too inconsistent and the damage is terrible.
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For this tank it still would not be enough to make it playable. It needs a way faaster reload too.
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No ammo type in this game should do terrible postpen damage. If it cannot be relied upon to punch through something tough, then it may as well not be even carried at all. While this is a post specifically about the Conqueror, I cannot remember the last time I so much as thought about using APCR on a German 75, Russian 76, American 75, etc etc. All APCR, AP, and APDS should inflict more postpen damage consistently. I even think HEAT, HEATFS, and HESH should see substantial (non-overpressure) damage increases.
I would also give the British 75 the American M61 APHE - it’s already shooting the same shell with filler artificially removed for a reason the game doesn’t even model on all shells (shell breakup due to poor round quality or faulty fuses). Likewise I would give the 6-pounders M86 APHE (as the US 57mm M1 is a license-built 6-pounder). Neither of these guns has a sufficiently large advantage in penetration over its common opposition to achieve useful postpen spalling, unlike the 17-pounder or 20-pounder solid rounds do.
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I could put up with the poor mobility, large silhouette, long reload, average armour… If for once the gun would just do some damn damage without the spall levels of a rifle round or the shell shattering like it was made of glass… I simply cannot justify playing this tank anymore when it’s gun is laughably bad for it’s size and post pen damage. With a reload that long you simply cannot afford for shell’s to shattered on stupid things like a leopards side skirt or an m26s add on armour or quite honestly anything that takes its fancy, there’s no reason for it. It’ll happen point blank to a vehicle and the muzzle energy just simply blinks out of existence… Because of the trash shell shatter mechanic that quite honestly should be removed until it actually works correctly. That’s what is affecting this vehicle the most imo.
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did bro buy a conqurer with ge your supposed to hide your hull like more than 80% of brit tanks is hide hull turret invincble
I’m sorry what? the thing dies easier than an open top. I’ve been going insane trying to spade it.
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what do you mean
I’ve died more times then a can count to SPAA today alone. One shotted by them too.
then you gotta have skill issue cuz its amchine gun they die and if yoju play r3 or any light tank dont complain its called light tank for a reason
So the Conqueror is a light tank now?
is conqeror a spaa then dont talk about spaa
I said I was killed by SPAA. Fun fact SPAA shouldn’t be able to kill a heavy tank. Doublely so as there is no Missile SPAA at it BR.
Question what are heavy tanks known for?
Armor.
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All thats needed is for the APDS and HESH rounds to work correctly…
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This exactly.
the british 105mm L7 (and all of it’s versions), and the Chieftain’s 120mm APDS is pretty good. They are consistent, and do a lot of damage, even more than a 120mm solid AP sometimes.
I could not agree more. It would make the Churchill 7 a somewhat playable tank.
Same. Things like Churchill 3 would be playable.
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