Yeah, it is an interesting decision as the 39C has been upgraded in all aspects over it’s service. The 39C the Swedish airforce has today is closer to the 39E than the 39C in it’s begining stages haha.
And the fact that they do not want to specify which MS version is strange to. Both the Rafale and Typhoon have specific generation, Tranche, Block, whatever they call it, specified.
Also wonder a bit how the 39C/D upgrades will turn out in the close future. Will be interesting to see.
This document talks quite a lot about it actually (if you know Swedish).
I am Swedish so I hope I know some :D
Will look through them in a bit.
Just read the parts about the planes, Strv 123 and Visby corvette. They say only what is needed hahaha. That is how it goes with classified information.
Also I am not a big fan of the future 39C/D upgrades being MS20 Block 2.1 (which from my understanding already is in service), MS20 Block 3 and Block 4. MS21 is the first of 39E modifications which will be taken in to active service to a limited degree in the end of this year by the looks of it.
I had hoped that there would be a MS21 39C but instead we get blocks
Ah. Storm Shadow’s better.
Nah, they are about the same size and weight and their warheads are similar in operation and weight. Both are dual stage and delayed fuze of the main warhead to penetrate deep bunkers. Both rely on the same guidance modes and both have IR cameras to aquire the final target.
What is different is the engines. Storm Shadow/Scalp has a turbojet and KEPD 350 has a more efficient turbo-fan. This means that the KEPD 350 has about twice the range of the Storm Shadow/Scalp.
Taurus doesn’t have a delayed fuze. It’s fuze can detect the density of matter it’s penetrating, count the amount of layers of different materials and empty spaces. That allows to e.g. count how many stories deep in a bunker it’s gone and detonate at a specific level or how deep in bridge support pillar it’s gone and detonate at a predeterment depth.
That fuze is what makes Taurus special, not the engine. (Same fuze is used in the NSM as well)
So what you are saying is that there is a difference in time between impact and detonation, a “delay” if you will. ;)
Yes, but the fuze isn’t counting time until detonation like other fuzes, it measures it’s detonation point. (If you told the developers of the fuze it’s just a delayed fuze they’d be mad, they go to great lengths to avoid that word at all cost xD)
Well, its not time delayed, but it is most definitively delayed :P
“Delayed fuse” is more like an umbrella term for any mechanism that delays the main explosion to occur in a specified delay, can be time, can be amount of armor penetrated, can be number of floors, can be a specific action (like late WW2 bombs with magnets that triggered when moved by the defusal team making them effectively work as mines).
Just noticed that my report for MS upgrades were acknowledged, not that it will do anything in short terms but nice to see they have acknowledged it. It may help mitigate any misunderstandings or confusion for the playerbase even if it does not add any features at the end. (It was not ment to add features but rather a labeling).
JAS 39 Gripen - Missing or Incorrect Version Labeling for JAS 39 // Gaijin.net // Issues
What are the thoughts on the JAS-39C in the Swedish, Hungarian and Thai trees getting AIM-120C-5?
Sadly this is the only actual source I can find stating that Sweden bought AIM-120C-5 but it is there. You’ll find Sweden’s purchases listed at the bottom of page 528 continuing on 529.
Some pictures of international Gripens with AIM-120C
All Gripen C’s are fully compatible with NATO munitions which means it can carry every single version of AMRAAM including D variants.
At this point decision is left to Gaijin whether JAS-39 should get more advanced Aim-120 models or not.
I am aware of it being compatible with all NATO munitions. there is however a difference if the country carries that weapon to Gaijin’s eyes.
Not at all.
For example SAAF Jas-39 only carried IRIS-T missiles and never had AGM-65G’s while it carries Aim-9M,R-Darter and mavericks in game.
As long as platform is capable and compatible Gaijin has no issues adding weapon systems.
That is done purely for “balancing” reasons. you don’t see the Gripen carying Brimstones in game do you? only reason the Swedish 39C got AGM-65G was because of the outcry of making the Swedish one just objectively worse than all others. It also doesn’t have GBU-49 which it does carry in Swedish service since the first round of MS20 upgrades.
We didn’t cried, we simply demanded equal treatment and as I’ve said as long as Gaijin thinks any Gripen needs better weapon system that is compatible they will add it.
don’t kid yourself, there was some outcry to get that added. I was there as well mate. And what you are saying is that the GBU-49 should’ve been added to the Gripen when it became available to the others that got it as well by that but it hasn’t.
The odds of a vehicle getting a munition increases by a lot if the country actually used it in service.
Any non-service munitions are purely for balancing.
Don’t try to put my words into my mouth. You might have cried during that period but most of the Swedish community was demanding equal treatment with sources.
Gaijin’s policy is clear as day: if X vehicle is compatible with Y weapon system it can be added in order to fulfill balance.
