What makes you say that it would be CAS focused even with all the A2G munitions that it has now?
It would get Meteors and IRIS-T. Two of the ABSOLUTE BEST missiles in their categories. Meteor with ~70km (if not even more) NEZ (in best case scenario), and the IRIS-T with a shit ton of turning potential and ability to fire at a plane close behind you.
By your logic, if they don’t care as to what is carried then ALL western weapons should be carried on the Gripen at it is well known for ease of integration of different weapons so give all Gripens MICA ER, Brimstone and any other somewhat recent weapons you can think of…
Because gaijin only added AGM 65G to both sweden and SAAF because it was a balance factor on top of them being able to use it. Thats all that was. As for another Gripen C with Meteor and IRIS-T id rather get the best their is if possible and that just so happens to be the proto E model. One change being radar and then missiles imo isnt really that interesting to warrant a new vehicle especially when gaijin would be more likely to then ignore adding another Gripen C model which actually has way more to offer. Again this is all theoretical as we dont know how gaijin plans to model IRIS-T or Meteor, they could be meh or they could be strong. Again, id rather a Gripen with more to offer than a radar and missiles to warrant grinding another one. This is the same reason i was against the JA37D getting RB99, gaijin didn’t bother to model the previous Viggens properly and created a gap that would only cause problems trying to fill. Of course gaijin more than likely didnt plan to add a TT filler until the backlash from the Di being prem exclusive. Its why they didn’t get the cockpit right or the camos, or why the old prem model was given to the TT, so that the prem could stick out more. Say we get the MS20 gaijin is very likely to avoid adding the Gripen NG and thus skipping a way more valuable jet. Further more with how compressed the BR’s are and the current future the difference in BR between the current amalgam C would probably be .7 since gaijin is so against proper separation. Then the E would probably be added .3 higher than the MS20 because gaijin logic. Regardless its just my opinion you dont have to like it.
In short id rather we get Gripens with substantial and multiple changes instead of grinding 400k rp for 1 difference when they could just add those modules to the current Amalgam Model. The gap the current model moving up would leave cpuld be filled by Noway or Denmark which would add a bit of diversity to the playstyles and add a 5th air line which could focus on fixing certain ares on the nordic air tree which has major areas that need new vehicles and diversity in playstyle while also adding CAS to areas that are lacking.
Again then something needs to be added to take the C’s place if it moves up. Again Germany screams they want Denmark because muh borders or that some of us speak Deutsch. (All because they want an F16AM) idk, if DK/NOR combined 5th air line are added and they replace the current C amalgamation then im fine with it. At least the F16AM has some unique attributes.
What do you mean here? MS19 or 20 (idk which) got GBU-49’s what has that to do with the Mirage? And I have no idea what you mean with the JDAM talk either. Do you mean that the Swedish JAS 39C should have the JDAM’s instead of the GBU-49, or vice versa, or mabye something else?
He normally just mentions stuff that also uses equipment without explaining why he mentioned it or quoting people just because they said something he mentions idk why he does this, dont think too much about it.
WHY WOULD IT MOVE UP, what I have been saying is that due to the massive difference in their capabilities (RB 99 (AIM-120B) to Meteor and RB 74 (AIM-9L (maybe upgraded seeker to the M standard) to IRIS-T, along with a new radar) what you are saying is like the upgrade from RB 71 to RB 99 is a sidegrade.
The MS18 variant would stay where we have the 39C now and MS20 variant would be in some higher BR
That is literally worse case scenario, its a bad trend imo to have the premium be better than the TT equivalents. As for the JAS39C moving up would be my solution to dealing with getting the MS20, the current C becomes MS20, then DK/NOR are added to fill weak sections throughout the TT and have the F16AM take the place of the JAS39C at 13.7, this allows for the C to not be a waste of 400k rp and for something different with actual changes be added to fill its role while also helping the rest of the tree.
It might be RDAF F-16AM MLU (M6.5 standard) and equipment like belgian F-16AM MLU from france tech tree but never bought GBU-39 SDB I, armed GBU-49/B and different target designator pod (Litening G4)
It is a platform that has gotten extensive upgrades, how would it not be fitting to get two versions of it? There are many planes you can remove that are in the game right now due to them having smaller increases in capabilities, say for example the increased capabilities of the Tornado F.3 to the F.3 Late. It got AIM-120B and AIM-9M instead of the Skyflash SuperTemp and AIM-9L. That is a smaller update than what has been done in the JAS 39C over it’s service so torch it.
Yes and i for one dont care for vehicles like that. I know some people dont mind it but i do, i find 400k rp sinks with little changes to be filler because gaijin needs you to waste time grinding the same vehicle again because they dont want to add anything important to said nation.
Also sorry about the wait, was doing something else and answering smaller responses.
Again different opinions, no problem wanting multiple gripens and myself not wanting jets that take much too long to grind for minimal differences. If they were foldered then maybe but thats not how gaijin works.
F15A and the F15C are different they could stay as they are, when gaijin determines we are ready for AIM 120D then sure why not if the later F15’s dont get substantial upgrades i dont really have a problem with them being updated.
so you want to create a large gap in effective performance? would not be nice for an F-15A to meet the absolute latest version of F-15C with AIM-120D and AESA radar would it? so litteraly no progression from now on? You want a game built on progressing through tech trees, getting new vehicles and upgrading them as you go to just stop where it is now with the planes we have right now getting the best they’re able to carry? There would be a HUGE difference between one plane to the next. Go from AIM-7’s to the absolute latest AIM-120D in this case…
Again kinda my original point. I dont want to research 2 nearly identical gripens where the radar is the only difference. Of which gaijin would probably only put them at a .7 BR higher than our current 13.7 vehicles, so yes, for such miniscule changes idc. Imo the current gripen C can stay where its at and when we get Meteor and such the Gripen NG should be added as it has a much larger selection of differences to warrant that being our next gripen. Ive always assumed we would go Gripen A, C, NG, then E and that would be it. Our air tree would essentially be done considering gaijin didnt think to add the Di when we couldve had it a few updates ago. So no i really dont see a need to have the MS18 or the MS20 when the NG can fulfill their function. When IRIS-T and Meteor are added.
