Do we know if they were compatible with the racks on the Me 210 is the thing. I mean wcs they could just directly translate the German bomb loads into the Japanese equivalents as long as there are no clipping issues.
Model 80 800kg
Type 92 500kg
Type 92 250kg
Type 94 50kg
in the different combinations equivalent to the german bomb loads. The big downside being the lack of 1000kg, instead only having the 800kg which is still strong.
What I mean is that, for example, two German 500kg bombs can fit into the bomb bay, but due to different dimensions, only one Japanese 500kg bomb can fit.
Are they that much bigger than the German equivalent? Honestly if it’s that bad then just give it German bombs as the biggest thing Japan is missing is higher bombloads.
I would have to check, but the best would be a combination of Japanese and German bombs.
-1 from me. Japan has plenty of aircraft in the pre-jet-age tiers as it is. They have no need for an aircraft that was only evaluated. If the ME 210 is to be added to War Thunder, it should be done in the German tech tree, not the Japanese tech tree even as an event vehicle.
After this Logic, Germany would need it even less since they have even more Aircraft in the pre-jet-age tiers then japan.
Still i think it would be a good addition since Japan doesnt really have a “Strike aircraft/Heavy Fighter” with a “large” bomb load configuration available.
But i dont want to start a huge argument with you so just meet at the midle and say the ME 210 as TT for Germany and for Japan as Premium/Event.
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Just say no to copypasta.
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At this point, the Japanese Me-210 is not a copypasta. There is no Me-210 in War Thunder, only its successor, the Me-410
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How does that give Japan the justification for having a foreign vehicle they only evaluated and never used in combat? If we use your logic, the US has a better argument for getting the Ki-200 or ME-163 as, to my recollection, they don’t have a similar rocket powered aircraft with high maneuverability and have owned and evaluated them. Such a thing, of course, should be considered absurd. Just as the US has no real need for those aircraft, Japan has no real need for the ME-210, especially if it’s going to be paygated.
EDIT: In addition, because the aircraft isn’t already in War Thunder, that would mean that the Japanese TT devs would have to spend resources developing a German aircraft that the Japanese barely used over either modeling a Japanese aircraft that can fulfill the same role, or modeling a Japanese aircraft that can fill out more important holes in the TT, like the massive one in the jet age? The reason why there is so much copy paste is because it is easy on Gaijin’s end as they don’t have to model an entirely new vehicle. The ME 210 would require new models to be made, at which point, again, it would be better to just go with an indigenous design.
Because they paid Germany for the vehicle, and kept it afterwards. Maybe start to ask the Russians where they got their Hurricane, Catalina or Sherman tank for example, this is a very common type of vehicle to become a premium.
As absurd as a US Ki-61, A6M2 or FW-190… You know where I’m going with this, right?
Please count me the dedicated strike aircraft in the Japanese tree. The only one I can think of is the Ki-102B, which is classed as an interceptor in game and doesn’t get the bombs and AP ammo it should have.
Any additional strike aircraft are welcome, and while Japanese options should be added in the techtree, the Me-210 is a welcome premium option.
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So what justification had Germany then for getting the Yak 1B, IL 2 (1942), Wellington Mk 1C, etc.
With your logic none, since they all where just evaluated and never used in combat aswell.
Also they have their own Prototyps and Production aircraft to fill holes in the TT or giving them new Premiums.
I feel like you just turned a blind eye at my last sentence
How about we go from “it will be solely modeld so japan gets a new Premium/event plane” to “it will be modeld to go into the german TT as new adition, BUT since Japan bought one and evaluated it we can slap a diffrent camo on it and give the Japan Players a new Premium/event that fulfills a diffrent role then their usual indigenous designs”.
When we put it like that, there shouldnt be a problem on your side then.
And we know how much Gaijin Loves to model a Plane/Tank that they can yeet in diffrent Nations at once with just some minor diffrences (M109 cough cough, P51 razorback in sweden, china, japan, France)
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I’m not omnipotent, but from what I recall they got those under lend lease and actually used them. The ME-210 was only evaluated, not used in operations.
Ah, so we agree that copy pasting vehicles into nations that never used them for actual operations is bad, yes?
There is only one strike aircraft ingame, yes, but Japan has numerous dive bombers that fill out that niche in the tiers the ME-210 would likely be at. It wouldn’t solve the TT’s lack of strike aircraft and would unlikely fill any holes even IF it isn’t locked behind a paywall.
I don’t have any, unless Germany actually used them for combat operations EDIT: Or if they were added before the nations they were from were added. I don’t like them being in the game, I don’t think they should be ingame, and exasperating the issue with the ME-210 only makes the issue worse.
Because we have more then enough copy paste as it is, and if Japan truly does have a deficiency in strike aircraft the last thing that should be done is encouraging Gaijin to put the remedy behind a paywall. Evaluated vehicles should only be put into TTs if either it’s progenitor nation isn’t in the game or there is literally nothing else that can serve it’s niche. And no, the problem wouldn’t be solved. The game has a massive issue with copy paste as it is, and that’s with vehicles which were ACTUALLY PUT INTO SERVICE BY THOSE COUNTRIES. Germany did use the M109G, Sweden used P-51s, and so on and so forth. Japan ONLY EVALUATED the ME 210, and there is no record of it being used in actual service. All it’s addition would do is exacerbate already extant issues for no good reason. Filling out holes in the TT can’t be used as a defense if it is behind a paywall.
Japan got only a single “offical” dedicated strike aircraft with the Name Ki 109.
But we could say that the Ki 45 otsu (got a 37mm with APHE), the Ki 102B ( if it would get its bombs and AP ammo) and the Ki 108 Kai(again a 37mm with the recent addition of target practice ammo with 51mm of pen at 10m) could be classifid as strike aircraft.
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Gaijin casually putting the first Toptier French IVF/ light tank (VBCI-2 (MCT-30)), french mains begged for years to be added, behind a 8910GE paywall to fill this gap.
As if Gaijin would care, if they made the model and it can be put in another nation as premium(premium because they just evaluated it, if they had them in service then as TT vehicle) to earn a quick buck, then they will probably do it.
in this case even more likely since we got already the A7He1, Bf109 E7 and Fw 190 A5 as premiums as they were just studid aswell.
And iam going to end the Debate here since i original didnt want to argue over this and you would just go on and on and not accepting a draw / meeting in the middle
In case I don’t see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night
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So one bad decision justifies another bad decision? The question never was could it be added, provided Germany gets it as well, there would be no new precedent set, assuming it were. But that’s not the question, the question is if it SHOULD be added, and the answer to that is no. It doesn’t solve anything, and makes already existing problems worse, and could set a really silly precedent if Japan gets a German aircraft before Germany.
So that makes it a good idea? I agree, all the copy-paste evaluated vehicle premiums are bad and shouldn’t be in the game. I see no reason to support implementing evaluated vehicles into TTs when they are either unnecessary or better options exist. The only times where evaluated non-indigenous can be justified is if there is literally no other option, or the nation from which it is from is not in the game.
I really don’t see the issue with both Germany AND Japan getting it, honestly. Nothing prevents Germany from getting a 210A variant, so why not make the most of the model and add it to everyone who can have it? Plus, captured/evaluation stuff, in my honest opinion, does make for perfect premiums with their history and being a different flavor than what you can find in the Tech tree. That said, I can’t wait until we finally get the Hungarian variants of the 210, where they essentially took the time to correct and fix most of the issues that made the 210 a lackluster aircraft. It’ll be interesting to see how it stacks up against the German models.
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It’s not an issue of Germany getting it, it’s an issue of why Japan should get it at all. Going off of the logic ‘if it’s there, why shouldn’t everyone who could get it have it?’ you can justify practically the entirety of the Japanese aviation and ground tech trees being put into the US TT. It doesn’t add anything to Japan, the Japanese never used it in actual service, and it contributes to the growing problem of copy paste vehicles.
I think you are missing the point still. Vehicles like this are perfect premiums.
They offer different and unique capabilities not found in the techtree, but also don’t really lock any gameplay behind a paywall since you could just get them in their home nation.
This would also mean that unique indigenous designs can be put in the tree, rather than being made premium/event exclusives.
As for an argument for Gaijin to add it, I’d buy it and I’m sure I’m not alone in that.
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No, the perfect premiums are vehicles like the M1 KVT or the Leopard Panzerbattalion 123. Vehicles already extant in the TT with a unique look. Vehicles that were captured/evaluated and not put into actual service are the worst premiums you can put into the game, being literal copy paste, unless you want to argue that Japan is more deserving of an aircraft they only evaluated over the nation that actually built and put the thing into service. Arguing that it should be added simply because people would pay for it is also a poor argument because that argument can be used to justify putting things like Tiger 2s and ME 262s into the American TT. Copy paste is a big enough issue with the game as it is, making it worse solves nothing and should NOT BE ENCOURAGED.
I can’t disagree here, those are the best from a player standpoint. Offering premium bonuses, but no gameplay not found in the tree.
I disagree here though. They are still easily better than locking unique vehicles behind a paywall.
They also generate more interest than purepy visual premiums. A player already playing Japan would generally be more interested in an Me-210 in the Japanese tree than a different camo for their Ki-102B turned premium.
Them being copy paste also takes away feom nothing, as if you don’t want to play them you can simply decide not to buy them. The whole argument brought up against it is players forced throught them as part of research, which wouldn’t even be the case here.
Essentially they don’t take away from anything, but players are more likely to buy them than visually different premiums. So when taking Gaijins perspective into account as well, these are prefect premiums.
Japan rightfully bought and owned it… Would be pretty fitting if players could do the same.
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