bro usa is the only nation in the game that have this jet and it should be only the usa that have this jet
its a unique good feature for usa nation in the game
The one I’m showing is not just a regular F-14A
It’s the Block 135 F-14A which is still retains the engines of the F-14A but has the avionics of the F-14B.
allowing to use the paveway bombs and the AIM-54C phoenix missiles.
I would ask you again to stop posting unnecessarily off-topic posts, offensive comments, wishlists for other nations or making claims that are simply not true.
The F-14A suggested here was tested by Japan, which is in line with our Guidelines and was also proven by the OP via sources. If there are any doubts about this, these doubts should be proven with sources, on the other hand it is wrong to claim that this suggestion is based on a skin or something similar.
Keep it on topic. Feedback is fine as long as it remains constructive and does not drift into insulting realms or entirely different things.
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I mean, I dont mean to be rude, but does that mean things like the British F-14, or F/A-18E would be valid suggestions then?
the F-14A was considered and was considered the only viable option for Britain at the time, but eventually the Tornado ADV was chosen
and in the case of the F/A-18E, British Pilots flew the Hornets as a stop gap between britain having a fixed wing carrier capability, and there was even talks of transferring some to the UK in this time
A Hornet Source
F-18 jet turned ‘a wee bit British’ whilst flying over carrier
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Ok i want to know where you got that it was flown by the Japanese from, i looked through every single one of your sources and not a single source states that it was flown by Japanese, only inspected.
There is a difference between actually flying the plane and just sitting in it for examination.
If this plane is added and only had a Japanese person sit in it, it opens a pot that I dont think belongs in this game.
Of course, the AJ exists already, but what else could Japan get? I dont think another exception is needed with the addition of thai sub tree.
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As long as you are able to properly prove that X was tested and flown by Nation Y, its a valid Suggestion, yes. Example for this; german F-20A.
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Excuse me, not trying to be rude, but do Suggestion Moderators read through the sources to see if information matches with what is in the Suggestion itself?
As i stated in above comment, it only states that the plane is examined, it mentions no Japanese personnel flying the F-14. From contextual clues you can tell that they atleast sat in the copilot seat during flight, but nothing more.
I know it would be time consuming, and you don’t get paid to do this job, but I believe such actions are needed for such a controversial topic.
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https://flyteam.jp/photo/3889267
These are NOT a F-14A tested in Japan, just an aircraft from VF-154.
The aircraft was on display in Japan at the time and had not been delivered for testing.
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even if japan have tested f-14, i think that is not a good reason to give japan a f-14
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I’d like you to find me where it explicitly states this, because it is certainly not clear in the suggestion, and the sources do not seem to support that it was tested by a Japanese pilot. Even the suggestion seems to such that an American pilot was in control. Also, the Tomcat pictured at the top of the suggestion is a US Navy aircraft.
Which is not a good example either in my opinion because we only know of one flight having occurred, the claim that multiple flights were made and that serious consideration was given to that type is dubious at best.
The issue I have with these kinds of suggestions is, where does one stop? Does having a foreign exchange pilot mean that a nation can claim an aircraft? If so, I sure can’t wait for the F-22 in the UK tech tree in about a year or so.
I mean no offence to you or any of the suggestion moderators or the makers of this suggestion, but suggestions such as these make a mockery of the forum rules, because it’s quite clear that the sources themselves indicate that this was not flown by a Japanese test pilot, and even if that was the case, is that enough of a reason for it to be added? I don’t think so, personally. Such cases only open up a can of worms. With Thailand getting added, the Japanese TT will have no shortage of aircraft, especially at Top Tier, so exceptions such as the R2Y2 and the F-16AJ should be a thing of the past.
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I mean, suggestions aren’t what’s added to the game, and Gaijin doesn’t just add everything suggested. Suggestions have fixed, clear and layed out rules for what can and can’t be suggested, which feels like a breath of fresh air compared to Gaijins internal, unknown rules that they have previously made various exceptions to.
So considering this suggestion fits the suggestion rules I wouldn’t want it denied, but there’s still votes and replies to voice opinions.
I agree, basically all problems leading to this suggestion can just be solved through some ASEAN aviation.
Right now I think instead of adding another purely proposed/tested aircraft the existing ones should be replaced with R2Y2s replaced by various new rank 5 additions, and a Singaporean F-16A Block 30 replacing the AJ in the tree.
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north vietnam captured an F-5 and sent it to soveit, that F-5 can be added to russia team and i think that is a good reason, but adding a vehcile only because that nation have tested it, is not a great reason.
Only if that nation is suffering and need a good vehicle
Mechanical radar XF-2A should take its place. I would accept no less.
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I’d love to see it, but it would face the same fate as the lowest possible Thai F-16 in that it’s still better than the F-16AJ.
The XF-2A even more so considering that compared to the AJ it will be more agile, slightly faster, have more countermeasures, have two more Sparrows (though arguably fixed AJ would also have 4) and still have a better radar in the AN/APG-68 compared to the AJs AN/APG-66. It would also lose the 6 Mavericks (instead not carrying any), which was the reason Gaijin added the AJ in the first place.
It’d probably see it at 13.3 instead, so in addition to it another proper replacement F-16 would be needed for 12.7 with Mavericks.
And that’s where Singapores F-16 comes in, which is at leas somewhat unique in being a Block 15 spec aircraft using the reinforced but slightly heavier F-16C Block 30 airframe and a brake chute.
There’s also the option of giving it AGM-65D if they want to offset the heavier airframe and loss of Sparrows compared to the AJ.
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Not entirely related but the Thai F-16 being better than the AJ? I mean sure it gets AIM 120s and Pythons as well as a targeting pod (without thermals though) with 65Ds but the lack of a HMD and only 45 CMs at 13.7 is practically unplayable, BR for BR I mean I say the AJ is better.
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I was referring to the actual Thai F-16, not Gaijins inaccurate implementation.
This would mean there’s three (four if you count Singaporean OCU) flavors of F-16A:
F-16A Block 15 OCU
- Block 15 airframe / Block 30 airframe for those bought from Singapore
- Brake chute (only those bought from Singapore)
- AN/APG-66(V)1 radar
- 120 countermeasures (2× AN/ALE-40/47 in the tail, 2× AN/ALE-40 behind the left wing, 30 each)
- Air to air arsenal of AIM-9P-3 / P-4 / M Sidewinder
- Air to ground arsenal of AGM-65D / G / G-2 Maverick, GBU-10 / 12 Paveway II, unguided bombs
- ATLIS II targeting pod
F-16A Block 15 ADF
- Block 15 airframe
- AN/APG-66A radar
- 120 countermeasures (2× AN/ALE-40/47 in the tail, 2× AN/ALE-40 behind the left wing, 30 each)
- Air to air arsenal of AIM-9P-3 / P-4 / M Sidewinder, AIM-120C-5 / C-7 AMRAAM
- No air to ground armament
F-16AM eMLU
- Block 15 airframe
- AN/APG-68(V)9 radar
- JHMCS
- 120 countermeasures (4× AN/ALE-47 in the tail and behind the left wing, 30 each)
- Air to air arsenal of AIM-9P-4 / M Sidewinder, IRIS-T, AIM-120C-5 / C-7 AMRAAM
- Air to ground arsenal of AGM-65D / G / G-2 Maverick, GBU-10 / 12 / 16 Paveway II, KGGB glide bomb, unguided bombs
- AN/AAQ-33 Sniper XR targeting pod
F-16Bs are pretty interesting too, with the two seat Thai F-16 OCU and ADF variants having Israeli DASH HMD and Python 4.
That being said the OCU in the in game state is just miserable, and fixes can’t come soon enough, especially for their weird treatment of its countermeasures…
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That would be really awesome, it feels good having decent CAS options now instead of the AJ
F-16AJ is better than the F-16A OCU, OCU only leads ahead by its Maverick D’s Paveways and 120’s
F-16AJ does not exsist though, would rather the F-16A OCU replace it
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Historically speaking you are correct, however gameplay wise in WT already the AJ is superior