That one should be 9.7, the FM is horrible. But compression would make it face flareless slow jets very often
I think we stand a chance at arguing for 10.3. I think more than that with the current Sub 10.0 extreme compression is just unlikely at this time. Better to fight for the small battles and win, than the big battles and lose
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10.0 solely because it has flares as the only upgrade from the gr1
The Mirage 5F has an actual flight model and 2 magic 1s.
No??? It’s literally a Mirage 3C that just can’t use the 530 which is not good to begin with… The Mirage 3C/5F does not belong at 9.7 with two magics
Mirage 3C would eat the 5F in a dogfight
Why buddy
Check weights
Does also get a better engine and a more adaptable loadout as the 9Gs are top mounted, where as on the GR1 they directly conflict with A2G hardpoints/chaff pod.
Hopefully a digital RWR in the future.
Perhaps, though not sure how relevant dogfighting performance should be considered for a base bomber. Its a fine line to tread. Especially if we directly compare with say the Harriers which probably are slowly edging their way to 10.0 alongside the Hunter F58
But wierd for you to be advocating for a BR drop at all
Forgive me for not noticing, it’s still a Jaguar
This isnt relevant to air rb
As far as the BR changing and being relevant in air RB, only pvp performance should matter. I don’t care that gaijin seems to think bombing bases good = higher BR.
Why
I don’t have any real way to do so because WTRTI no longer works for this for me. That said, spaded the entire french tree… 5F is not bad enough to consider for 9.7. Would just become another undertiered moron machine.
Eh… I agree, and we really need that thread promised a year+ ago about the relationship between BR and rewards for ground attackers. But until 9.7-10.3 at a bare minimum gets decompressed. I dont see the Jag GR1A ever going below 10.3. So I would rather fight for 10.3 and get it there, than 10.0 and it to be sat at 10.7.
Because usually you are against any aircraft moving down in BR.
Yes when going down in BR means it pushes compression lower, the Jaguars are awful.
I guess. But that thing at 10.0 is just meh for me. I played the 3C over the 3E when they shared BRs at 10.0 because I couldnt stand the bleed rate of the heavy 3E, the 5F is even heavier.
But noobs would indeed use it as a crutch to get 1 or 2 reliable kills and die, just like the F1C spam with magic 2s.
The Jag GR.1A is completely pointless at 10.7, and at 10.3 wouldn’t be good either, mediocre at best.
citation needed that isnt the unsourced wiki, hence why I mentioned wtrti not working
Empty mass:
Mirage IIIC = 6240kg
Mirage IIIE = 7025kg
Mirage 5F = 7150kg
The 3C isnt a good dogfighter by any means, the others are just horrible at anything but going in a straight line
Citation needed…
This is also just untrue, fully.
I pulled it from WTRTI database
Its mid dogfighter for the BR, slightly better than the mig-21 FM around those BRs which aren’t very good for dogfighting either
Is WTRTI still capable of gathering this info?