J7W Shinden Kai WWII Jet

With the F-16AJ, I think it would be safe to say Gaijin could add a plane that was planned. Japan’s early jets are quite lacking, and well their entire tree past V is lacking. They have the R2Y2 series which never were built but are not ingame. Adding a Shinden with a jet engine like it was supposed to be would be such a cool new vehicle. If Gaijin wanted to stick to the book as much as they wanted they could give it a br of 7.7-8.0, keep the same guns and a Ne-330. If they wanted to make a all out theory fighter from WWII they could give it the Ne-330 and a early afterburner as the Jumo 109-004E had a early form of afterburner. They could also modify the airframe and allow the plane to have more ammunition. Hell, it’d be crazy if they gave it a Ke-Go IR guided smart bomb. I think it’d be a really fun plane to have in game and it would be a good addition to Japan’s middle Fight/Interceptor line, as the “J7W2 Shinden-Kai” or something like that.

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The J7W2 never existed either.

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The idea that it was “supposed to be a jet engine” is made up.

The plane was made as a canard because Tsuruno, the creator, believed that such a design would be more compact, allowing for the same equipment to be stored in a smaller overall plane, leading to a plane that was lighter and faster.

There was no project actually started to equip a jet engine on the J7W. In a way, the plane is more fictional and paper than what the R2Y2s are.

Additionally, the Ne-330 would simply not fit in the J7W1. It was meant to be used on the R2Y2s because they are very big planes that actually had the fuel tank capacity for the engine as well.

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From a lot more recent information the J7W2 wasn’t entirely false. The idea to get a jet engine in it wasn’t however the part of it existing did not. So this was more of an idea from the creator’s mind on it potentially getting a jet engine in the future and that was it.

There is literally no evidence that Tsuruno thought of that. In an interview he explains why he came up with that design and not a single time is a jet engine brought up.

A head engineer of the project (if I’m not mistaken at least) has stated that someone (if memory doesn’t fail me it was a representative checking in on the project) once proposed the idea of mounting a jet engine in the future. That’s it. No actual work or even a single sketch made.

Perhaps the reason for that is because 99% of it was burnt? Did that fly over your head that most information left is heavily protected because Japan had burnt a majority of the documentation for fear that the Allies would capture it? This included dismantling many prototypes or just throwing them into a river or something and if he was still alive to do any interviews post war likely have forgotten some of the details. Or video archives from those periods were destroyed due to unknown reasons at the time? There are a ton of factors to lead to such details being gone and anything that is nothing more than a consideration is not gonna always be documented cause it was a suggestion, not a drawing board.

One more thing to quote someone else who quoted something
"The J7W2 has some historical backup from an article by Kunitake Kiyohara (Kyushu Hikouki, design section) from June 5, 1944, where one of the members of the Motor Department of Naval Aviation Technology Centre gave an oral direction about “proceed designs considering the use of gas turbine engine”, probably referring to the Ne-130 as well. But no blueprints were found about this project since the Shinden flew at the end of the war, and most, if not all blueprints were destroyed. Masayoshi Tsuruno, its creator, said nothing about it in his interview as well.

From a technical point of view, they designed the prototype with this idea, since the Ne-130 would fit easily on it. "

To put it simply, my point still stands, neither the creator nor was there any information as it was a tight-lipped secret, and documentation was likely already destroyed for these reasons.

I actually was wrong about one thing that I said.

I missremembered the quote of the quote of your quote, remembering it as being specific to the J7W1 rather than just a general statement.

The concept of the J7W1 dates to 1943, with blueprints starting to be designed in April, and the prototypes starting construction in early June, meaning that the blueprints were either very close to being finished or were finished by the time that oral direction was made.

It is unrealistic to think that they changed the design last minute to potentially have a jet engine.
This leaves the only option being that Tsuruno envisioned the plane as having a jet engine from the begining. Which as your very quote points out, in his interview he makes no mention of this, despite the fact that in that interview he is directly asked why he created a plane like that.
It being able to install a jet engine would certainly have been an extremely important driving factor in its design, yet it is just not mentioned.
By the way, the interview is in 1985, so the secrecy of his design no longer matters, and Tsuruno could easily speak about all related to the plane.

Another thing is that the person you’ve quoted is likely not correct, as the Ne-130 doesn’t “easily fit”. This engine is directly based on the German BMW 003, with roughly the same thrust and dimensions, with a US interrogation source putting it at 3.86 meters long (it does have slightly more thrust as far as I can tell). The extension shaft of the J7W1’s engine puts the engine at around 2.8 meters. Even with the propeller hub there is still a lot of extra length.

That person is basing his claims on assumptions due to lack of evidence that directly states otherwise.

I remind you that I never said there weren’t potential concepts for the future. But the statement that it was “meant to be” from the start is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

One extra thing is that even if the J7W2 were to, by some reason, be added to the game, it is almost entirely guaranteed to end up being completely horrible.

Early jets are already famed for having poor acceleration due to low TWR. The J7W2 would have a TWR lower than basically any other early jet fighter, assuming an Ne-130 jet engine.

It’s sole purpose in game would be to look cool.

japan already has a real world war 2 jet, its the kikka but its too overtiered and the double cannons should be stock

I would really like to see the J7W2 but yeah, it’s sadly mostly a fake design. So unless a document from the time that is actually a detailed sketch or something is found, I doubt it’ll be added.
That being said, I think it could fit really well between the N1K1(s) and the Kikka, maybe as a 6.7, and help close that 6.0-7.0 gap in the line.
Another one I want to see is the Ki-201, it could also help as a gap filler.

What. The Kikka was a Jet bomber.
Irl never were gonna have guns and that’s because the Kikka only exists. After, one of the two submarines sank. So all your country had was eyewitness accounts, schematics, pictures, and the Jumo engines. Had the other sub managed to survive Japan would have been able to start producing the Nakajima Ki-201 Karyū and The Rikugun Ki-202 Shūsui-Kai.

My fam is chinese/russian, why refer to my opinion as that from “my country”-

My apologies just pre-assumption due to your username. Even then I’m of Columbian and Korean descent.

pls show pic of this plen