J5N1 is severely over BR'd

[Mantis_Chat_Ban]

agreed. Today I picked the Hornet mk3 and had two separate 1v1s against two yak3u’s; the first one took me five attempts to shoot down; the second one ended up crashing.

[ShiroooYuki]

Objectivity in war thunder? nah /s

[DaGreenBolt]

G6 with its 30mm isn’t a good argument considering the 30mm guns that the G6 can carry are Mk108s which are notorious for their low velocity. The Japanese 30mm has much better velocity, though the nerf reduced their killing potential.

@Uncle_J_Wick

Their problems can be reduced to 2 topics:

1. US and USSR are highly popular for rookies - dragging BRs too low
2. Countries like JP & IT are usually 2nd or third trees for players

So if the rookies can’t handle US planes and USSR planes are not really overtiered due to “reasons” - the experienced player looking for another challenge researches JP or Italy - increasing their BRs.

That non-pilots are the majority in Air RB is obvious. So whilst the rookie ruins statistics for US and USSR planes, the experienced JP/IT pilots are increasing BRs.

I agree with most of what you said, though I’m pretty sure that rookies do not fly the USSR considering the majority of their planes are balanced with a few egregious exceptions, (mainly Su-11, I225, Yak 3U, Mig 9/L, La 200, Mig19 and BI), heck they have a few overtiered planes such as the Yak 23, Yak 30, Yak 9UT, La 9, La 11, and Tu4.

[SinisterIsRandom]

No one claimed you were right, and no one claimed you were wrong. Unsure where this sentiment nor do I see anyone implying it. You seem to have made your own assumption and aggressively holding a pitchfork.

[Uncle_J_Wick]

@DaGreenBolt

I agree with most of what you said, though I’m pretty sure that rookies do not fly the USSR

Mhm - i analysed a lot of matches regarding skill distribution whilst i fulfilled the battlepass challenge with the Il-8 - and my own subjective observations over the years (i have an old account with 290 days of Air RB too) might be biased, but imho the average USSR player is quite similar to the US player - a tanker, fighting at rather low alt, focused on head-ons and turnfights.

The major difference in their performance is imho based on 2 facts:

1. USSR planes performs best a lower alt
2. The combo of rather good turn & climb, usually good MER plus cannons

Considering the fact that most fights happen below 4 km and rookies tend to turn fight, the conceptual advantages of USSR planes support rookie players way better than US planes do.

Based on their results they might look more competent, but at least from my perspective they are quite similar regarding actual pilot skills.

@DaGreenBolt

considering the majority of their planes are balanced with a few egregious exceptions, (mainly Su-11, I225, Yak 3U, Mig 9/L, La 200, Mig19 and BI), heck they have a few overtiered planes such as the Yak 23, Yak 30, Yak 9UT, La 9, La 11, and Tu4.

My view of “rather not overtiered” due to “reasons” is based on the reasons above (low alt performance & turn), their in-game presence (so total number of planes in their lobbies) and the performance of the average user.

So you have to distinguish between “objectively” undertiered like the Wyvern or P-51 H-5 and “subjectively” not overtiered. So not from an assessment as an experienced player - rather from the perspective of the average (=rookie) player.

The 4.3 Yak 3 and the I-185 (M 82) at 3.7 are classic examples:

• From a pure pilot perspective thie Yak-3 could be easy 4.7 as they are not easy to fight thanks to rather good turn and very good speed & MER. This allows rather mediocre pilots to get away with basic mistakes.

• The I-185 flies like a bus and looks as a plane fine at 3.7 - but the 560 20 mm rounds and the usual play style of rookies (headon at all cost) could place it easy at 4.0.

Hope this makes my view on things more comprehensible.

[DocProfit]

I have to agree with you on this one.

I’m currently spading the J5N1.

It has no business flying with: Spit LF IX’s, Yak-3U/VK’s, J2M3’s, and 109K4’s.

The overwhelming firepower has been down-rated to ‘good’ since the Japanese 30mm nerf.

Honestly, it feels more like a 5.0 plane.