Excellent superficial argument. But that assumes a lot.
It assumes the planes are in a 1v1 (they rarely will be)
It ignores the factors in which the battle takes place (there’s ways to avoid Fox 3s beyond just using countermeasures)
It completely ignores the J-11B just being a superior platform?
I feel like this is a repeat of when the 27SM got its Fox 3 count increased. More missiles doesn’t matter that much, if the platform they’re on is limited-
Which in the Su-30s case, it is VERY limited. The J-11B’s flight performance alone warrants 14.0, this is before we discuss its IR missiles and Radar which are both incomplete
In air rb, limited loadout is more dangerous than 1v1. Su30 can launch at every target in sight but J11 needs to ration its limited payload.
Sure, there are ways to avoid fox3. But how come the J11B has to be the one that avoids missiles and Su30sm can just spam those missiles?
Double the missile amount, better missile(R77-1 beats PL12 under pretty much every scenario).
What makes you think slightly better flight performance makes up for all those? Though J11B has better flight performance than J11A. But It’s not like the (Mirage to Rafale) upgrade. It’s speed doesn’t make PL12 on par with r77-1.
Funny you metion radar. Su30SM has pesa, J11B has pd, so even more unfair
In Seek and Destroy the Su-27SM had the F-15C’s beat for A2A load and yet in spite of that the 15Cs were the superior plane that update.
In Dance of Dragons, Firebirds, and Storm Warning this REMAINED true where planes with far less Fox 3s than the Su-27SM, were just dog walking it. high missile count doesn’t matter much if either the missile sucks, or the platform sucks.
Any plane in this stupid hypothetical situation would be doing the same. Very few planes have enough CMs to chaff 14 missiles all going to them. But the odds of you having 14 missiles fired at you alone, are low-
Not only are the two missiles performing very similarly at ranges currently on dev server, but the J-11 is just a significantly better platform. While the Su-30’s atrocious TWR means it struggles to BVR with these R-77-1s meaning that the F-15E, J-11B, and Typhoon will all have it beat at long range combat-
The R-77-1 is great (not as good as people are exaggerating), the Su-30SM however is holding back the missiles potential.
You find Su27sm in an awkward position is because R77 is one of the worst fox3 in middle range. R77-1 fixs that problem, and Su30sm gets an extra pair.
Su27sm gets 8 fox3 & 4 fox2. F15C can also carry 8 fox3. So in middle range fight the su27sm doesn’t indeed have an edge in terms of both amount and quality of fox3. Typhoon gets 6 fox3, rafale gets 6 as well. How come they have “far less” fox3 than su27sm?
You probably heard about: “Quantitative change leads to qualitative change.”
12 fox3 is making a huge difference. 8 fox3 vs. 6 fox3 is superior. 12 vs 6 is dominanting
I see you once again ignored the problem being the Su-30SM as a platform being incapable of taking advantage of the R-77-1s biggest selling point. It’s range. It’s TWR is too low to beat the aforementioned nato planes.
So while enough quantity might make something better, there’s a massive quality issue still holding back the Su-30SM.
great now find evidence of what kind of J-11 it is, because 99.9999% of pictures on line dont show that pylon thats in that pic. They all just show the 10 we have in game.
You find proof of that, and you get your 8 missiles.
1000kgf difference, 2.5 degree per second difference.
Do note that Mig-29SMT has a sustained turn rate of ~18 degrees per second with equal fuel to these two.
Su-30SM has the worst flight performance at 14.0.
F-18C has significantly better flight performance than Su-30SM despite being slower.
