i did not see that. Thank you
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Im not asking for the PL15 to be added, its just that the current flight model doesn’t match real stats in the slightest
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Lowkey the J-10C looks like the J-10B AESA testbed, but with the belly missile pylon and the multi rack LS-6’s
Kinda disappointing, as of now I guess
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My bet seems to be that the changes may be delayed to the next major then if it’s not happening in the next week or two.
Id disagree. Changes to airframe, probably yes, Though they are always lacking in fixes immediately after the decemeber update and tend to release the bulk of them latter half of the January but a decompression is possible with the next BR Change that could be within a few weeks. I reckon late January for the post, implemented early Feb
my understanding is that they’re on holiday roughly the first two weeks of January, and then come back and release fixes in the later half of January yes. But what could they do in that relatively short amount of time other than an engine upgrade which as you said would be an airframe change?
I do see BR changes coming soon but I don’t see how that is a change to the vehicle itself.
At the moment, at 14.3, it is facing off against aircraft a lot stronger than it and there is need for major buffs to maintain balance.
If those same aircraft were instead higher, say 15.0?, and the J-10C didnt move, then the need for those buffs would mitigated greatly.
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But that would not align with the alleged promise of giving it changes to make it more competitive. If the other top tiers go up and the J-10C itself did not move, it still did not change as the BR remained the same.
No, but the amount of buffs needed would change.
Im not saying it shouldnt get buffs, but realistically what buffs would actually make a big enough difference?
Better engine? Sure, but what else? Is there enough options available, short of adding something like PL-15 in a vacuum that would actually close the gap at this time?
I should make it clear, I’m not arguing either way whether it should get the buffs or not, just wanted to see what my and your interpretation of the CM’s statement was.
I would like to think Gaijin wouldn’t add PL-15 just for the J-10C and instead save it for next-gen bvr integration.
In the short term, I would think potentially PL-12A since there’s an open report on it but otherwise things look bleak….
My interpretation of:
“Devs are aware of the current state of this plane. There are some planned changes to teh J-10C”
is probably the engine upgrade and a BR change. Loadout buff is possible. but PL-12s arent too bad at the moment from what a few people have told me about them. Clear upgrade over the Aim-120B. So a loadout buff is possible, but I dont think likely before the next major update. If/when PL-15 level weapons are added.
PL-12A could be added, but Im doubting that too.
“Changes like that will not happen within a week or 2.”
Does align with the usual Gaijin holiday and could align with a BR update planned in the new year. There is typically one 1-2 weeks after they get back. Which is needed for a number of new vehicles added this major update.
Was any such thing also said about F-15 and F-18?
What would the planned changes to the J-10C in the form of a BR change look like?
As I said before, buffs can be achieved without actually touching said vehicle.
Challenger 2, 2F, TES, OES went from DOA to actually half decent without their BRs being touched but instead changes being made to others.
Though likewise it could drop down to 14.0 if the upgrade over the J-10A largely remains a radar buff and 2 extra missiles. Placing it in-line with the Gripen E.
Ideally and I would personally suspect both occuring.
Move the strongest of the 14.3s up to 14.7/15.0 whilst also moving the J-10C down to 14.0. Though I would hope they would finally decompress 12.0-14.0 as well, so that final BR could be different
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If Gaijin was to only move the max br to 14.7, what do you see going up there and what do you see staying at 14.3?
AESA-Phoons
Rafales
Su-30SM2
Im on the fence about the F-15C GE being 14.3 or 14.7. its on a knifes edge imo, but probably fine at 14.3 for now
So is the F-15C GE potentially the only candidate for 14.3 in your mind?
And the M-Scan Typhoons, F-18E and Su-30SM/MKM which are already at 14.3. But yes
If mechanics like ECM get added in the near future. Then that opens the door for others to join them like the Gripen E, and Israel could get a direct equivalent to the F-15C GE too.
There isnt many 14.0+ aircraft to begin with, and even fewer that deserve to be 14.3 with the current compression.
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Honestly would be weird for M-Scan Typhoons and F/A-18E in to be 14.3 while J-10C is at 14.0
Maybe. I honestly dont know much about Chinese aircraft, I’ve fought the J-10A sporadically and so never formed a major opinion of it. So J-10C im largely forming an opinion on what little I know.
FM comprable to/slightly better than that of a Gripen?. AESA Radar, decent IRCCM and ARH missiles (Above average for both) with a decent missile load but struggles massively with a very limited CM count.
So comparing it to the Gripen E seems appropriate to me, as it trades missile performance for CM load and gimballed radar