J10C and J15T countermeasures

If you don’t like it, then dont play it. You can always grind the Russian tree and get the SM2, nobody is stopping you from playing meta planes.

Good players will be able to make the J-15T work.

If you wanna play a Chinese flanker, the J-11’s exist and all of them are some of the best planes of their respective BR’s.

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The fighter jets still have IR missiles with IRCCM.

It’s not going to be “ok”, it’s going to be just another terrible vehicle that will be forgotten and that we’ll hardly ever see again.

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saying cause a good player can make it work is like saying someone getting kills in a 9.3 at 12.7 saying it be fine if it got moved up

a good player can make almost any vehicle work doesnt mean its balanced

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like F16C block 52 and F15 C GE F/A-18E

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Large caliber flares can make IRCCM planes go away with a single pop. 8 is fine for top tier ARB where you don’t even get close to people anyways. I can’t remember the last time i had someone fire a IRCCM at me in 14.7.

Not every plane added to the game has to be played by everyone, this plane will work well for those that know how to ration countermeasures.

If the plane isn’t for you, then don’t play it.

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that mind set is what killed naval

Naval was never alive to begin with, its a failed gamemode because it has bad maps and is straight up just boring.

F-15C GE is not a bad or forgotten plane, it’s pretty decent.

Anyways, none of this matters since they’ll probably give it small/normal caliber countermeasures at a higher number.

But you guys do need to stop complaining about every single thing that doesn’t suit you.

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it had a good start but was killed off by the devs thinking that not every vehicle needs to be meta why you think you never see a ROMA or RICHILEU cause there not fun to play at all as your using non META against META your at a MASSIVE disadvantage meaning you have to compensate with a TON more SKILL than your enemy does its not fair or balanced

By this logic anything that isn’t a SU-30 or Rafale should be absolutely unplayable at top tier.

it basically is you have to 15 times better to win against a someone in a RAFALE than you do in let say a F15 just look at the Statshark of rafale or SU30SM2 its got absurd high KD ratio to other planes

Okay, so then lets stop adding anything that isn’t absolute meta. They should scrap the 16C B52 too right since it wont be meta at 14.3. They also shouldnt add the EX in the future since its gonna be way worse than Rafale, SU-30.

Hell, lets not add anything to the game while we’re at it!

yeah instead they should balance out what they have as its a compression nightmare at 95% of BRs ingame

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I use it frequently, mainly at the end of matches, and with missiles that have IRCCM suspension like the AAM-3 and 9M, depending on the angle at which it locks onto you, you can’t perform a single “flower of flame” to avoid the missile

Even reacting with 48 countermeasures is unfeasible. I’ve played with several fighters with very few countermeasures, such as the J-35XL, F-20, MiG-29, JF-17, and Su-33… especially the Su-33 and F-20, which already suffer considerably from a lack of countermeasures. We’re talking about fighters similar to the Su-33 in 14.7. An Su-33 facing a Su-30MK2/MKK has already exhausted all its countermeasures; imagine facing a Su-30SM2, Rafale, EF, and F-18 with 48 countermeasures.

We’re talking about the only and probably last (at least until the 5th generation) naval aircraft of China; it’s an iconic fighter jet. Deliberately rendering this fighter jet useless is a huge waste.

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Well do you just want them to add fictional countermeasures that dont exist to it? I don’t understand.

Or do you want them to put it at like 13.3 so it doesn’t face those planes?

And PL-12As don’t really seem to be a meaningful upgrade over PL-12s (atleast they aren’t a downgrade like 120Bs to Cs).

My thoughts is that it will not be very good, and that it’s worse than the Su-30SM by a decent margin because of its lack of CMs/worse loadout.

This is what will happen if you aren’t aggressive, and you can’t be aggressive with only 48 cms. Yes you can multi path, but why play that when you can play the J-10C which isn’t really that much worse, and can rp as a lawnmower better.

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Slight off topic but it always annoyed me how they’ve been changing some CMs due to the visual models of CMs especially on the F-16s. Makes vehicles like the Norwegian or Thai F-16s a pain to use.

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There are some black Spots on a bulp on the Engines that are hidden in some Angels when the Gear is lowered, are These maybe more cms hardpoints?
Or am I just blind?

no

especially when you only see those spots when you lower your gear

it dosent really make sense to make CM dispensers only useable when the gear is lowered