Above test is done in dev server, time recorded by hand, therefore give or take ±0.5sec for possible human error.
This current air resistance for J10 is completely unreasonable.
as we can see in the data.
the flight performance of J10 with loadout is similar to the mig21bis, and even slower than the mig21bis at 6000m.
Being an 4th generation interceptor, and having a much stronger engine than mig21bis, the current air resistance is very unreasonable
So what should the Air resistance actually be?
Closer to it’s describtion in the dev log, a 4th gen aircraft, not a 2nd gen mig21.
as for sepcifics, i cannot answer for I do not have classified information.
Just cause it is a 4th gen doesn’t mean it has low air resistance.
So you mean that China’s fourth generation aircraft have inferior flight performance to Russia’s second generation aircraft
I can use that sentence for any aircraft in the game that doesn’t have their full performance stats public yet. I don’t see a reason of discriminating J10 from the rest.
If Gaijin is to believe this 4th gen aircraft is to have stronger air resistance and less flight performance than a mig21, 2nd generation.
Then, J10 should be moved down to 13.3BR or lower, just as the F4F and mig29smt.
What im saying is without actual statistics you aren’t changing anything.
then you are saying that all vehicles in game without actual statistics are subjected to Gaijin’s own wish to alter their performance.
in that case it is a game balancing issue. We are simply gamer advocating for the removal of this terrible Nerf that will significantly impact the balancing of toptier tech trees.
What Im saying is this is the 3rd thread crying about the J-10s performance and none of them have given any numbers about where it should be.
Crying I want it better does nothing. Every vehicle in game has had people crunch numbers and look at data to give an estimate where it should be.
In other words put in work to figure out what it should be don’t just spam the forum with “I want”
We just used the source the production team used and pointed out that the production team misunderstood. And then how do we give you the numbers? That’s classified.
Because the data submitted by the player and used by the devs is the same thing, but gaijing considered the speed at which it could disintegrate as the max speed, thus adding drag out of thin air. The article mentions that flying up to this speed the j10’s wings vibrated, so the tower asked to stop accelerating out of pilot protection. The biggest thing this piece of information does is prove the strength of the J10’s airframe, not the drag, much less the maximum speed.
Well, actually J10A’s adjustment on air resistance is to make it unable to accelerate any more at it’s designed disintergartion speed, therefore affecting its acceleration performance when the speed is around 1 mach. But for most 4th generation jets, they are able to accelerate till disintergration.
And you might think that there are not valid source to prove J10A being able to go any faster. However, according to the source Gaijin released, the source itself also doesn’t contain any information on J10A’s accerleration ability, only descriptions of possiblity of disintergration at that speed.
We do believe that there is a misunderstanding due to the high information density of Chinese source, making it difficult to comprehend. However, any issue further explaining the source was rejected for the reason “not contradict to the game”.
There is no need to be needlessly toxic about this issue. It does not take a Phd to figure out that a jet such as the J-10 shouldn’t have drag that is superior to an F-4 Phantom’s.
We know the drag coefficients are up to Gaijin to decide to fit according to the flight perfomance sheets and we won’t get a real number. it doesn’t make it unreasonable to challenge what they have decided especially when it has soo much more drag than comparable aircraft
There is nothing Toxic about telling someone the standard that has been used for fix issues including FMs. It is upon us to find valid sources to bring numbers and data to WT to use and fix the issue.
As TrickZZter said here. No information has been brought that shows a difference in performance based on what is in game.
Could the FM be wrong? Maybe. But I haven’t seen any data to show it. Requesting the the data to show it has only brought up nothing of value or being told it’s Classified. You can’t reasonably fix something based off of that.
You directly equated whatever this thread was discussing to crying, that’s toxic and doesn’t bring anything to the discourse
The data is classified
What do you want people to do ?
If F-22 came in the game and had the drag coefficient of a fully laden F-18A because a dev decided so, do you expect people to just shove it because they don’t have the data ?
You don’t seem to understand the problem
Gaijin doesn’t like anything that is not western.
Look at:
SU-27
MIG-29
Now, the J-10A
If it is not american or european, it must be horrible.
We gave him the only public information 1453 for the low-altitude speed, which is the performance of the air, not the acceleration limit. But they don’t approve of it. Even when the national military manual was given, they didn’t approve of it.
This is a repost!!!
We can all agree that J-10’s airframe is similar to the J-39C. I found some drag coefficient data for J-39C-like aircraft.
CD/CL is the lift-to-drag ratio, so you want a high CD/CL ratio.
The key points we need to test with the J-10A is:
“it should have better flight performance, bcz its generation is two numbers higher, so it must be 2x better”
how it feels reading all of these J10A threads lol
jas39 is significant lighter than j10
