J-7E doesn’t want the fight slow. Not a single delta wing wants it slow. They are optimal at 7-800 km, but the fights are almost never above prop speed, so F-5 does fine since he doesn’t need to worry about stalling. Also I just hate the fact that F-5’s heat signature is so tiny.
Optimal doesnt matter with the J7E . Thats my point it still pullls at stall like no other (especialy on low fuel) So get the F5 slow or any other jet really and it wins.
But this isnt best in an air RB setring as 3rd party stops the fun…which is why the F5 wins overall IMO
i was with you until you suggested legitimately any skill group considers the F-100 to be a higher tier plane than the MiG-19
PL-5B is unsuited for this task. It is one of the worst among same-BR counterparts (AIM-9L, R-60M, Magic 1) for maneuver off the rail; it has one of the lowest max fin AoAs, combined with a long delay after launch of 0.5s, and a fine-but-mediocre pre-launch gimbal limit of 25°. The most important aspect, however, is it’s unparalleled acceleration rate, which is great for time to target, not so much when fast angular change is required. The short-range performance of PL-5B is more like a rocket than a missile (it was even more dramatic on release).
So if the target isn’t flying near-straight, it’s almost impossible for you to hit at short range. In many situations where it would be successful, you might as well have used your gun (speaking of which, is mediocre overall, and vastly inferior to contemporary Western aircraft).
It’s very suited for the task, because as I just said you lead them the proper amount to where the missile is already preaimed at where it wants to be when it starts reacting.
Yes, this is addressed in my post. This strategy works for most missiles with 20+ G max overload, including the PL-5B; however, the PL-5B is not especially good at it. In fact, it’s below average, when considering all the factors and aforementioned characteristics involved.
It is, because its extremely fast off the rail and surprises people before they can flare, and when adequately led ahead of the target it won’t have issues hitting them
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J7E are great dogfighters for the BR but are no match for an F-16
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The un-official war thunder discord. F100a love in… dont ask me i played it a few and it wasnt for me lol.
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Ops, ur right, i meant J-7D
pl5 also has way more thrust its significant you arent getting 9js to go as far as pl5s
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Yeah think they just copied Magic 1 booster.
no the pl5 is also lighter by quite a bit
4.5kg. The delta v differs by like 80m/s. Which is hardly noticable in battles since more often than not the kinetics of carriers will make up for the 10%.
since the mirage3/jaguar is known to fly faster than the j7e…
What’s that supposed to mean? I don’t get the necessity of sarcasm, I am just stating a fact that the difference of the kinetics of carriers will matter far more than the 10% difference in delta V.
and I just said the chinese j7 are faster compared to the french stuff at 10.0/10.7 so the gap for the pl5 extends…
That justifies 11.0. I think we can agree on that. No 11.3 nonsense, it’s not worth 11.3.
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j7d has to got atleast to 11.0 and j7e is still okay at 11.3 when it was 11.0 it just dominated 11.0(but it has capabilities to annoy the mig25 so I wouldnt mind seeing this on 11.0
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The 11.0 was a legacy thing, cause previously it was suffering hard, and then all of a sudden, no more ARH missiles, no more F16s, and then suddenly it just ruled. Gaijin is soooo slow on making it 11.3. Prob could just moved it to 11.7 with all aspect missile.
It was 11.0 for sooooo long. Saw the top tier change from like 12.0 - 13.0.