I really meant Mirage F1C, but you seem to have a very different view of how engagements happen, I think of it as Mig23MLD for example take 2 chances (R24 and then full aspect R60M) before J7E fights back and the chance of getting kills are near equal, since PL5B will happily eat flares up to 10km away. Same happens with F4SII which has up to 10km engagement capability and J7E will have to fly through the first wave of missile or just get killed after 1. PL5B is not really supposed to be used in a dogfight, I do see u have 100+ games in it and so do I but as of RN I think even in the current stupid IRIAF spam I would still rather J8B.
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Not really. I have managed to defeat many J-7Es in dogfight with the F-4J and the AIM-7Fs are a clear advantage.
While J-7E may have better Flight performance than other aircrafts of its BR but its still limited by its armaments. Things like F-14A can easily defeat it in dogfight.
4 PL-5Bs aren’t enough for 12.0. 4 PL-5Cs can give it some chance to survive at 11.7 or 12.0 BR.
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11.7, 12.0 need python 3, cause when PL12 and AIM120B comes out you will need it. Like even in a say 3km engagement AIM120 will still happily kill you. I won’t mind 4 PL5C and go 11.7 RN especially as it barely ever used PL5B IRL.
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There’s no way this planes flight characteristics are anywhere near reality. I don’t think it’s BR will be a problem if it gets hammered with a nerf
Probs not, the things an absolute UFO, but until someone pulls up a source saying otherwise, its unfortunately going to remain as is forever. I honestly highly doubt its ever gonna move up in BR either despite its clear massive overperformance. The fact it didnt go up for the last 2-3 years despite going from top tier being 11.3 to 13.7 and almost everything else moving at/above its BR is a bad joke, but one gaijin seems to love retelling…
J-7E went to 11.3 now.
I’m just amazed at how many players on this topic thought that ,J-7E should stay at 11.0.
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I mean we did convince people it was a 11.3 vehicle, until a few clowns jumped out and said it is 12.0 worthy just because it was in the same BR range as F16 before. 11.3 is literally the same especially with F14s moving up, no more Fakour spams.
It would be interesting to hear what people’s modern 2026 takes are on the J-7E
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It’s quite average now, I mean once people start getting any grip on using flares its threat is largely reduced. The K/D is moving towards 1.5, the winrate roughly 50+%. The hype is over now I think.
you can blame the premium bums who cant flare they artificially increase KDs of that thing to orbit
J-7E br SHOULD be 11.3, but as along as it’s a premium, let’s do a p2w condescension, and send it to 11.0. That thing should NOT be lower than mig21bis.
It’s 11.3 already. You’re talking about J-7D, which should not be higher than J-7E since it’s worse in every capacity, 11.0.
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dont dogfight it pay attention if it shoots an air at you its not that hard to dealwith
J7D should not be higher than MIG 21 BIS
J7E was crazy op long ago but that was before we even had the Tomcat now it just collects dust not a very op plane now defiantly strong but not op
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top 3 11.3, behind f4e and ja37
yeah its strong but nothing absurd still only got 60 rounds
yeah PL5Bs are good but i still see them getting one flared by planes with FULL BURNER its absurd especially since you have only 4 and 60 cannon rounds which i guess balances its performance