Chinese model only had single NR-30s with 60 rounds.
Only export model such as F-7PG had x2 30mm cannons with same rounds.
Do we want realism or balance ? If we want realism, and let it like that, it can’t be 11.3 …
Both is needed and, as one player who has been playing J-7E since it came to the game, I don’t see any problems for going to 11.3BR with the current loadout.
60 rounds aren’t main issues for playing if you learned how aim NR-30s.
Also, there are no points for staying at 11.0 because there are no counterparts in 11.0BR, including F-5E.
I mean at 11.3 J35XS and F5ECU would be good counterparts.
J35XS(and Kfir Canard) is just overtiered rn.
I don’t know about F-5E FCU because I have never played it before.
IMO, Kfir C.2 that is also overtiered, would be good counterpart of J-7E.
Ignoring the fact that most of them have a radar and SARH? F4SII/J can easily kill J7E beyond doubt, it has look down shoot down and you will find out if you play the game, same with MLD and JAS 37. I agree 11.3 but 12.0? So F15 vs J7E? So Mig21 Bizon with HMD + R73 + R27 is ‘0.3 BR’ ? Mirage as well, irccm + SARH is only same BR?
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Kfir has Python 3, lmao PL5B can’t even fire unless you get into their 6 which who will let you in a fight if they are even aware of you. I think PL5C will balance them at 11.7 but nevertheless, I think F5ECU is literally the same armament as JH7 (AA) with a good RWR and arguably better airframe lol.
I mean Kfir C.2 has only x2 Python-3.
They have similar flight models and performance, and their RWRs are equally good, so they can be seen as counterparts to each other if you ignore AAMs.
If you want to focus on the performance of the missile itself, you can take the Kfir C.2 but, if you want to focus on the number of missiles you can take the J-7E.
Also, if you want to see it as 1:1 counterparts, J-7E can gets PL-8s and have same BR with Kfir C.7 which has x4 Python-3.
edit: fixed typo :p
True, but I mean too many people moan about J7E just cause they are stupid and do not bother looking back just base rushing.
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Even if the fighter mains was flying a very decent aircraft in 11.0BR, like an F-5E, they would still complain about the J-7E.
Problem is there are no counterparts in 11.0BR and, F-5E doesn’t work as it.
There are reasons why everybody bring J-7E in 4vs4 tournaments.
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Largely irrelevant considering the difference in flight performance. even the best missile of the entire bunch, the 7F’s, arent a real threat to any pilot with half a braincell when coming off an F-4J/S, never mind a J-7E. They simply do not have the dogfighting capability to be of any concern in a merge.
If the J-7E pilots diet consists entirely of crayons and lighter fluid, sure, otherwise, no.
Both have always been considered inferior to the J-7E, both of which have been nerfed since as well.
F-15A is already considered to be arguably too low at its BR, and even then the 7E would only face it in a full uptier, not a great argument to try to use here, but if you really wanna be a stickler on that point, I could concede a bump up to 11.7 minimum to start.
You seem to forget that the M2K and J-7E already fought eachother quite extensively back when it was first added. Magic 2’s have been buffed since sure, and its arguably too low at 12.3 as well, as the M2K is more of a competitor to the F-14B at 12.7 than the A at 12.3 following the changes. I expect it to go up during the next round of BR changes.
Yeah, F-5E is about the only thing that is even remotely competitive vs a J-7E in the BR bracket, and 9/10 times “competitive” means “it took me a while to get guns on but he was defensive the entire time” and not “it was a relatively even fight” when it comes to how the J-7E vs F-5E fight plays out…
I really meant Mirage F1C, but you seem to have a very different view of how engagements happen, I think of it as Mig23MLD for example take 2 chances (R24 and then full aspect R60M) before J7E fights back and the chance of getting kills are near equal, since PL5B will happily eat flares up to 10km away. Same happens with F4SII which has up to 10km engagement capability and J7E will have to fly through the first wave of missile or just get killed after 1. PL5B is not really supposed to be used in a dogfight, I do see u have 100+ games in it and so do I but as of RN I think even in the current stupid IRIAF spam I would still rather J8B.
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Not really. I have managed to defeat many J-7Es in dogfight with the F-4J and the AIM-7Fs are a clear advantage.
While J-7E may have better Flight performance than other aircrafts of its BR but its still limited by its armaments. Things like F-14A can easily defeat it in dogfight.
4 PL-5Bs aren’t enough for 12.0. 4 PL-5Cs can give it some chance to survive at 11.7 or 12.0 BR.
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11.7, 12.0 need python 3, cause when PL12 and AIM120B comes out you will need it. Like even in a say 3km engagement AIM120 will still happily kill you. I won’t mind 4 PL5C and go 11.7 RN especially as it barely ever used PL5B IRL.
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There’s no way this planes flight characteristics are anywhere near reality. I don’t think it’s BR will be a problem if it gets hammered with a nerf
Probs not, the things an absolute UFO, but until someone pulls up a source saying otherwise, its unfortunately going to remain as is forever. I honestly highly doubt its ever gonna move up in BR either despite its clear massive overperformance. The fact it didnt go up for the last 2-3 years despite going from top tier being 11.3 to 13.7 and almost everything else moving at/above its BR is a bad joke, but one gaijin seems to love retelling…
J-7E went to 11.3 now.
I’m just amazed at how many players on this topic thought that ,J-7E should stay at 11.0.
I mean we did convince people it was a 11.3 vehicle, until a few clowns jumped out and said it is 12.0 worthy just because it was in the same BR range as F16 before. 11.3 is literally the same especially with F14s moving up, no more Fakour spams.