The calibre does not matter in real world situations, what matters is how many pops you get or rather how many times you can press the key. All ARH missiles get chaffed easily regardless of calibre and calibre only really comes into play when flaring IRCCM which is rare.
They don’t have bad flight performance. Notice how I said the J-15T is worse than the Su-30SM2 at relevant altitudes, not that any of them are bad.
problem is that that’s really only for gatewidth irccm missiles, even against seeker suspension irccm, large caliber flares hardly matter
And mind you flaring IRCCM with both regular and large countermeasures is not difficult if you can position yourself in time. I won’t comment on BOL since I don’t take BOL flares in any aircraft and use them as chaff only. (And they work just fine as chaff, I have not noticed anything being more difficult to notch)
Caliber matters more for chaff than flares currently in War Thunder.
Whether it should is up for bug reporters of countermeasure sensitivity to figure out.
This does not change that both large, regular and BOL chaff can one chaff an ARH missile and all 3 have the same real world effectiveness. Again, how many times you can press the key is significantly more important.
The ONLY “saving grace” it has is that it can iron dome missiles to save countermeasures. But unlike other planes, this is something it HAS TO do to survive instead of merely having the option to do so for better position.
Thing is this can’t go down to 14.3 because the f16 pobit is nothing compared to this plane. Ask Gaijin for more decompression so J-15T isn’t seen the same as the su30sm2.
where u got this info for J-15T ?
its will if it get basic pl12.
j15t is missing the front maws apertures. only j11a and j10c has them
People often say, ‘no investigation, no right to speak.’ Your total matches in top-tier air combat haven’t even reached four digits, and your record shows far more CAS kills than actual air-to-air victories. You haven’t even played the Su-33—which has the same 48 large-caliber CMs but sits at a much lower 13.0 BR—so why are you making claims based on pure imagination? How can you argue that 48 flares on the J-15T at 14.7 are better than the hundreds of CMs on the E2K or F15CGE?
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FM seems good, I hope PL12s with GNSS would make this plane worth playing
@庄方宜
You demand people play War Thunder 24/7 and have no lives.
Sorry, but I prefer having a life than playing one singular game for my entire life.
Also, I stated that F-15C GE has a superior countermeasure count to J-15T which you claim is wrong.
By all means, prove to all of us that 48 large caliber countermeasures is superior to over 800 countermeasures.
I’ve already played aircraft with less countermeasures than Su-33 and J-15T: F-18C, and F-18E.
The difference in performance from large caliber countermeasures [which I’ve used on Su-27SM3, J-11B, etc] and standard caliber is notably different.
Su-33 is extremely low priority in general when I already have J-11 I can play instead, and Z-10A is a higher priority squadron vehicle.
You’re completely missing the point. Nobody is asking you to play 24/7, but again—no investigation, no right to speak. If you barely have any matches in top-tier air combat, don’t pretend to be an expert on balance.
Also, re-read my words: I never said the F-15CGE has fewer countermeasures. My point is that having only 48 CMs on the J-15T at 14.7 is a joke, especially when its NATO rivals carry hundreds.
If you think 48 pops are enough to handle the radar missiles flying everywhere or the constant pre-flaring needed in a dogfight, you’re dreaming.
Claiming you’ve used large-caliber CMs on the SM3 doesn’t change the fact that you’re defending an objectively broken and unbalanced configuration for a 14.7 aircraft. This isn’t about ‘having a life’; it’s about having common sense.
@庄方宜
Except I have hundreds of hours at top BR air.
So your post is either speaking about someone else or is lying.
And no, NATO counterparts carrying “hundreds” of large-caliber equivalent countermeasures is not all aircraft.
F-18E and F-18C for example carry less countermeasure effectiveness as an example.
48 large caliber countermeasures is equivalent to 192 standard caliber countermeasures according to the game. What takes 1 large caliber chaff will take 4 standard caliber chaff at the least.
Also I’m not defending anything other than the J-15T from slander and hate. Stop making up fiction about others.
Edit: We can’t blame Gaijin because they didn’t manufacture the J-15T.
All we can do is work with what we’re given.
And while 24 large caliber chaff is difficult, it’s not impossible.
So until Gaijin finishes working on ECM for release, we must adapt to this difficult but decent aircraft.
Are you kidding me? The Rafale has the BOL modification kit, so what about the J-15T?
You’re completely lying. The J‑15T has a worse radar than the Su‑30SM2, fewer countermeasure flares, fewer missiles, lower‑quality missiles, and also worse high‑altitude acceleration performance.
By ‘hundreds of hours,’ are you referring to your 0 matches in the Su-30SM2, 0 matches in the F-15C GE, and 0 matches in the AESA E2K? Or perhaps your Rafale, where you have 90 games but three times more CAS kills than air victories, and your massive experience of 20 whole games in the F-18E?
I’ll say this one more time: before you try to lecture anyone on the meta of a specific BR, you should actually play the vehicles at that BR first.
Furthermore, I stand by the principle Gaijin themselves stated: if it’s technically feasible, it should be implemented. I fully support giving the F-18 family the same BOL rails found on the F-15C GE. I advocate for buffing all clearly underperforming vehicles as much as possible, while you’re out here trying to convince people that 24 chaff at 14.7 BR is ‘manageable.’ (Seriously, I can’t even—who on earth splits their CMs 50/50 in a top-tier match?)
Addition: Even BVVD—the guy who manages to crash his own planes in the test flight map—thinks 48 countermeasures look insufficient. 😅
I really don’t understand why the J-15T is rated at 14.7. It is outclassed in every aspect by the Su-30SM2, which is in the same class.
Furthermore, under China’s missile test standards—at an altitude of 10,000 meters, with both aircraft closing at Mach 1.2—the PL-12A simply cannot achieve its advertised range of 120 km.As far as I know, the AIM-120D also cannot reach its published range under real conditions.