This is becoming a serious issue in the current expanding meta. The power parity between a stock plane and a fully spaded plane has never been this higher.
We now have ARH missiles everywhere in high-tier air battles, but somehow, stock jets are still spawning with flares only—and no chaff. Stock planes are forced to hug the deck and try to get a kill or two but they will be completely overwhelmed when a single plane such as a F-15E wants them dead. The first few matches before grinding the countermeasures modification feel absolutely terrible. This is a video game, I won’t feel like playing if I know for a fact that my next few matches are going to be a terrible experience for me.
It’s 2025. Chaff should be stock for any aircraft that historically carried it—and especially for aircraft that face radar missiles 2 minutes into the match.
In case someone comes here to argue that “It’s okay to play few matches without chaff so that you can learn multi-pathing and other defending tactics”, I have all 10 nations in the game with majority of rank 8 jets spaded, I don’t want to learn that stuff for every single plane.
Stock grind is already painful enough. Please give us at least the basic tools to survive.
Gaijin, Please give chaff as a stock option for top tier planes.
- Chaff should be available stock
- Flare-only top-tier stock planes are fine
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I think adding a poll would be helpful.
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Just so I can stop any possibility of nerfing or removing multipath, I will give a no to this. Your launch should not always be a free kill.
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Removal of multi pathing would be inevitable in future whether you like it or not, especially with arrival of next gen IR missiles. Many people were confident that 100m multi pathing would never be changed but look at where we are.
But the current outdated game mode should be heavily revamped to accommodate that with small team sizes which promote more 1v1 BVR engagements.
Stock chaff availability is a whole separate issue which affects players even in the current meta.
It isn’t lol, I almost always fly high nowadays and it is very easy to evade ARH missiles just by notching. If you have chaff, you will survive unless you get targeted by multiple players from different directions.
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No… it really isn’t.
It’s basically a necessity for the health of the game.
I’m talking about when you’re flying low. Multipath is indeed real, but is exaggerated for healthy and enjoyable gameplay. I fly high every time too, yeah notching isn’t difficult. Just good luck doing it when everyone starts getting close. Multipath SHOULD be a risk, and a strategy, but should not be removed. I do not want stock chaff to be added simply because the vocal minority will begin the complaint train about multipath again.
I’ve seen so many people say the same thing before the multi path nerf.
Current game design is outdated and Gaijin has failed to improve it with addition of modern planes. Realistic battles is nothing but a glorified team death match in a small area. There is no realism in this. Modern planes don’t gather in a small area and start killing each other after someone says “Go!”.
That is a game design flaw.
Those people will be complaining no matter what. There is already a thread in the Dev Server category on it. Such topics are also created occasionally in regular forum topics too. Lack of stock chaff is a current problem. You linking this to that is just far fetched.
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i guess it wouldnt hurt but chaff isnt nearly as important as youre making it out to be. its honestly one of the last modifications i grind out and i only actually bother to bring chaff on planes with over 100 countermeasures, and seeing as im a china main thats not very many planes.
its kinda helpful but saying its needed is like saying you need flares at 8.3. they come in handy but theyre hardly required.
Chaff + Notching is a guaranteed way to evade ARH missiles, especially if you are in its MAR. Other defensive techniques like multi pathing are very situational.
This post is more focused on top tier where radar missiles are everywhere 2 mins into the match.
While notching and chaffing works, there are other ways to avoid missiles that work just as well.
And why would I not be talking about top tier this is a top tier thread.
Why not list them here? If you are flying at 3k alt and if someone fires a ARH missile at less than 10km (within the missiles MAR) head-on, other than notching+chaffing, what else can the player do?
Multi pathing is not reliable in all situations, going cold alone won’t help if the missile still has energy to reach you, using your missile to kill their missiles is a big gamble. I can’t think of anything else.
Aim at the ground and the missile tries to lead you and just slams into the ground. Works every time unless they’re like 2 miles away.
That’s just as reliable as multi pathing (or even less). Simply pointing down will not cause the missile to crash.
You need to be at a perfect altitude to fool the missile into ground while you can still recover and not crash after the missile has crashed. Pointing down means you are going towards the ground as well. This is just very situational. If you simply point down your nose at 3k alt, missile will do nothing but kiss you in ur face.
Works well for me. And if you don’t have chaff then you shouldn’t be at 3k in the first place.
😂 I’ve used this tactic several times and I know about its low reliability.
You said chaff is not important, now you say that I shouldn’t be using most of the map space if I don’t have chaff. What are you trying to say? Is chaff important or not important?
The map goes up to 90k ft. You’re almost never using most of the map.
Now, you just resorted to using technicalities since you don’t have a valid counter point?
Most players play at altitude up to around 7km from ground. You say that I should not be at altitude if I don’t have chaff.
I’ll repeat again. You said chaff is not important, now you say that I shouldn’t be using most of the map space (map space that players typically cover) if I don’t have chaff. What are you trying to say? Is chaff important or not important?
You lose the high altitude spam chaff and notch playstyle. You can do anything else. Just don’t do that one thing.
Notch+chaff is an almost guaranteed way to defend against missiles. Everything else is highly situational. That’s why I made the post. Not only stock planes are heavily disadvantaged in the offensive aspect, they are denied basic defensive feature.
In all your comments you never gave a reliable way to defeat radar missiles except “this works for me” and you were contradicting yourself. Your point your nose down stuff is highly situational too, I am not interested in taking a physics class here to explain that.
Edit: If you can, share a replay clip where you defend against few radar missiles reliably by doing that stunt, since “it works for you”.
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