For the italien players out there, apparently Italy wants to order 133 Leopard 2a8, which would be a great addition to their tech tree in a few years, as well as another upgrade for the Arietes.
As well intresting is that italy wants to replace their old Dardo IFVS and rheinmetall already offered their Lynx KF41 as well
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Yeah, that Is One of the four proposals.
For now the 4 IFV proposed to the Italian army are those:
CV90
Italianized KF41 lynx
Tracked Boxer
A new IFV from a joint project with Leonardo and KDNS
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Why didn’t the Italians order the T-72s? is it because it cannot reverse?
Whut? I doubt those were under consideration at any point
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As far as I’m concerned Italy never had the intention of buy such tank. (A funny fatc Is that in 1960 there was an Italian Company Who secretly offered to the soviet countryes an upgraded T55 with Leo1 and other western parts).
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Some render and pictures about the various proposed IFV:
Lynx (render by Rheinmetall)
This version of CV90
AICS (The National proposal)
This version of the Tracked Boxer
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That’s just the VT-ETB II lol
2A8s are meant to have light roof add-on armour for protection against bomblets & drone strikes in the crew area, and it’s my literal first time hearing about a 1600hp engine. Did they actually pay for MB-883 Ka-501 & the redesign of the hull’s interior as to not waste any space?
no i think it was generaly stated by germany as well that they wanna implement the europowerpack in the 2a8, supposed to compensate for the further weight of the eurothrophy
Italian army confirmed it will have a 1600hp engine.
Didn’t they also “confirm” an autoloader that cannot be fitted to the turret without a major redesign?
Anyhow, if they do go with a 1600hp engine, it will put them below the planned standard of 1630hp that Germany has had in mind since even before the 2A7V.
honestly u shouldnt take the italian army as standard here. if germany decides otherwise they will take the version germany is building
No.
Thats just speculation, as of now what is confirmed from the Italian army is that their Leopards will have a 1600hp engine.
again, italy will follow germany, you could give us the italian source as well. but if germany decides to not change the engine italy will follow, because like furina said they would need to pay for the whole development themself
We’ll see, but even in theory if Germany doesnt go for it, Italy can still get the 1600hp engine one way or another. They already had a different one planned for the Ariete AMV program so they have something to fall back on if they really want that engine.
About the Leopard, from the most recent rapporto esercito.
This doesn’t really work like that. KMW had to redesign the engine bay of the Leopard 2A6 EX to fit in the MB 883, which is quite similar to the 873 in terms of its general layout. For Italy to have something to fall back on, they’d have to buy the 883 and contract KMW to build their 2A8 hulls with 2A6EX’s engine compartment design (extra costs).
Basically everything here relies on what Germany does, and so far they’re on track for either uprating the MB 873 to 1630hp, or straight up equipping 2A8s with the EPP (1630 from the start).
Says who? The 2A8 will be modified with Italian tech so if they really want they can do it, will it be practical? Argueably no, but its not something to rule out completely especially when theres still some uncertainties in regards to the 2a8.
The logic & costs of such an operation. You don’t honestly think that fitting a new powerpack, especially one that was never designed with the Leopard 2 chassis in mind is something easy & cost-effective, right?
The 2A8 will be modified with Italian tech so if they really want they can do it, will it be practical?
Yes, FCS, sights (thermal) & BMS. I don’t consider the local production of the L/55 as “Italian tech”. Everything else will be in the same standard as the German 2A8s, just produced under license in Italy.
Argueably no, but its not something to rule out completely especially when theres still some uncertainties in regards to the 2a8.
It can absolutely be ruled out if Germany decides it’s not needed, because then every country will have to pay extra for those new features. The type of engine absolutely depends on what the Bundeswehr & KMW cook up, and so far they’re planning on the 1630hp engine variant (hence why I find the hp output that the Italians claim to be strange, probably just rounded up.
Again, i never said it was practical. My point was that it should not be ruled out.
The L/55 will be modified, or at the very least they plan to modify it.
Disagree, i guess we will both have to wait since its speculation.