First of all, hello. I think War Thunder is slowly going downhill thanks to Gaijin. First up is the 2S6 Tunguska. Of course it was too weak for Gaijin back then, so they had to go for the Pantsir. Now we have the Pantsir and various Su-30s/34s/39s etc., all on the Russian side, of course. But Italy is lagging behind with their useless OTOMATIC, which has a lock range of 9 km but can only really engage a target at 6 km. Plus, there is no ground lineup for Italy with an SPAA. So, Gaijin, I have a question for you. How about if Italy gets the Romanian SAMP/T with its 60 km range and then we’ll see how many Russian mains complain about it.
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Its self contained system, ie. one vehicle having both onboard radar and launch platform?
Or can it the radar be towed since were getting trailers next patch?
Not even towed one so low possibility.
More possibility would be on pakistani Aspide 2000 which is basically Italian made
Why need Romanian one when Italy is co-developer of SAMP/T with France?
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Thats going to china sadly.
What do you mean why need romanian one? Maybe because the OSA in italy tt is romanian. Also its not italy and france its romanian and italy.
SAMP/T is a co-development between France and Italy
it fires the Aster missiles, and Aster stands for “AéroSpatiale TERminale”, Aérospatiale being the name of the primary contractor before it merged in MBDA.
Italy could therefore get the italian variant (and the romanian one if you really want copy-paste)
Considering the system uses ~120 km range, mach 4.5, 50-60G missiles with active radar guidance, you won’t see it anytime soon however.
Pantsir does not play in the same category
Aspides could be a first, more reasonable step, and maybe CAMM-ER too.
Both have greater range than pantsir and very capable missiles (in the 20 to 50 km range area)
The Pantsir S1 also has a missile with a range of 100 km. However, the 120 km range doesn’t mean much to Gaijin. Why? Quite simply because the VT-1 missile only has a range of 12 km, whereas it’s normally rated at 15+ km. Gaijin could just as easily have given the S1 its 100 km missile and smashed the VT-1 into the ground so that any SPAA is simply useless against Russian aircraft. Besides, what’s Italy supposed to do? As I said, the OTOMATIC has a crap 6 km effective engagement range, with a 9+ km lock range. Then you have the OSA, which can make a killing at 10.3 against 13.0 aircraft like the Su-30SM and its Kh-38MT. Plus, you can already fire the Kh-38MT from 40-45 km. What Western anti-aircraft gun can do anything against a Su-30/34 that’s sitting around at 20+ km? Exactly, none at all. If you give the SAMP/T a range of 20-25 km, that would already be enough. Don’t come at me with “War Thunder is historically accurate.” Because it isn’t, see Ho-Ri.
The pantsir + KH38 combo is in fact at the core of an imbalance issue, i won’t disagree with you there.
Regarding VT-1s range, it is very unclear at the moment, with Thales brochure mentionning “11+ km”, while some other source mention the existence of a Crotale MK3 with a range of 16 km.
Back to the pantsir, its best missile is on Pantsir SM, and as far as i’m aware, it’s limited to 40km, not 100
Ideally and if they add shorter ranged but capable AA, intercept the missile, and somewhat threaten the KH38 slinger.
KH38MT was a mistake and there is a thread ongoing to remove it anyway :
Feel free to vote if you don’t already have => The Kh-38MT may not actually exist
My point is, no need to implement a completely fake SAMP/T when there are other AAs for Italy that can do the exact thing you want (reach 20 to 40km) in a more realistic way.
By the way this is not Romanian this is a french SAMP/T (commercial name Mamba) it has been deployed there with the current war…
afaik romania bought Patriot
Look, nothing against you. SAMP/T is just the first system that came to mind, and it’s also the most well-known mobile system from the Italians. Yes, if Gaijin integrates a better anti-aircraft system into the top tier for Italy, which also has, say, a 15 km range, that’s fine with me. Well, I don’t think I need to comment on the OTOMATIC anymore; my opinion is already known by now.
Yeah, could be I dont know. It’s like VT-1 sources. Some say 20 - 100 km missile others 20 - 40 km. I dont know there.
Yeah no issues, i agree the italians need a better AA, hopefully they will at least get the Aspides
I think it’s because the radar can detect up to 75km, and the missile reaches 40km, which can be confusing
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We get trailers next patch? We already ahve trailers since a long time. Looking at the Churchill “whatevername” with flamethrower
Still no match for my Kh-38MT
Well it was heavily hinted if not indirectly stated in the latest behind the scenes that next generation of top tier AAs is coming next patch and one of the teased pics was identified, if i recall correctly, as that funky swedish tracked vehicle with IRIS-T trailer.
uhh, interesting. Dosnt sound to bad… but then again… it will be damn big and slow right? so a super easy prey for CAS and Tanks? We will see i guess.
Also, maybe that be just AI AA?
nah, the next AAs will probably cause real issues to AGM slingers, so much so that they probably won’t be able to attack tanks without dealing with AA first
Besides, we still have no proof for KH38MT 's existence. Being no match for a missile that doesn’t exist sounds quite funny i will say
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It is what it is
one problem with placing these systems is that they are big and you won’t be able to use them on normal maps unless they put a bigger expansion for these types of anti-aircraft
