Don’t forget the 104S TAF at 11.0BR that doesn’t even have Limas. It’s stuck with Papas and base 7 Echoes.
The J-8B has only rear aspect missiles. On top of that the 9L F-111s are 11.7.
But it has the same SARH missiles, it can carry a gun with it’s SARH’s, it has much better flight performance, and a better RWR. The only thing that’s better on the F-104S ASA, is it’s radar and IR missile.
I honestly can’t see how the F-104S ASA is worthy of a higher BR than the Mig-23s, or even the F-4E or J-8B.
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Spoiler: It is not.
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This difference has no reason to exist.
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As they are curently, the BRs should, in my opinion, be as follows:
F-104G (including the German one) - 10.3
F-104S - 11.0
F-104S.ASA - 11.7, just because of the AIM-9Ls and Aspide-1A coupled with a radar that makes them usable.
This is imo the absolute highest these should be. Arguably could also go additional 0.3 BR lower, but that would be too much to ask.
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Remove all bombs/napalm and I’ll be fine movin em down.
Fine by me, fighters carrying bombs in Air RB shouldn’t even be a thing.
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You must be joking, play some games in these planes and tell me they are equivalent, balancing a fighter on its bomb load is hysterical.
They wouldn’t need the bombs if they were viable fighters.
F-104 isn’t a fighter. F-104S a bomber-interceptor if you want to get specific.
And if you want to try using it outside its role, you’re more than welcome to.
Cause otherwise you can argue B-29 should be BR 2.0 because it doesn’t do fighting other planes well…
Literally every jet is balanced on its air to air capabilities, using a ww2 bomber as an example to disprove that is dumb. You are literally one step away from wanting historical br’s. The f-104s in their current state are just not fun to play, so they need changes.
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It’s fighter-bomber or fighter-interceptor depending on configuration (Cacciabombardiere Ognitempo CBO or Cacciaintercettore Ognitempo CIO), in WT they are merged in one.
Kfir, F-104S, Mirage 5, etc aren’t balanced on their anti-air capabilities.
4 all aspect 40g missiles at 11.3 lol, and the mirage gets amraams on a decent airframe, the F-104 is the only plane balanced like that what are you talking about?
The Kfir has 2 missiles at 11.0, and 2 missiles on the C2 which is 11.7.
The Mirage has 2 missiles at 10.0/10.3. Magic 1s and AIM-9Js.
F-104S is also balanced on its fighter bomber performance.
Magic 1s at 10.0 are busted 35g against mostly flareless jets, the kfir is actually a good airframe for dogfighting so its missiles being lacking is a complete non issue, also the 11.7 has python 3s what are you talking about, the f-104 has bad missiles and a bad airframe if you want radar missiles you cant take a gun, on all the variants that have them, the radar on the F-104S is also borderline useless, good luck locking on to anything further than 4 kilometres below 2000m, you are actually coping if you think the kfir’s are overbr’d also also neither of those are tech tree vehicles so you don’t have to grind through them even if they were bad.
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Magic 1s on Saggitario 2 would be busted.
Magic 1s on a strike aircraft that barely beats F-104s in a dogfight is not busted.
F-100D easily beats Mirage 5s.
ok?
It is because it is at 10.0? Which is a whole br below the 11.0 F104 with the same number of worse missiles.
Sorry but that’s a skill issue, mirage has better instantaneous with 35g missiles and the f100d has no flares.
Literally any supersonic airframe beats the f104 in a 1v1 by miles.
A year has passed since this post and the problem persists. The Italian F-104 has an excessive BR and needs to be lowered. If they don’t want to lower it, then the American one needs to be increased to at least 10.3 to create some kind of balance in the game… But as always, this forum is useless and serves no purpose since the developers don’t listen…
It’s like going back a couple of years when Italy had the same American and German vehicles in its tech tree, but just because they were Italian, they had a higher BR than the American and German ones… For example, like the Italian Pz.IV G had a BR of 4.0 while the German Pz.IV G had a BR of 3.3… Or the M18 76/52, which for some reason the Italian one had a higher BR than the American M18.