Don’t mind me asking but, what is the difference between the American Helldiver and the rest? I’ve always thought they were exact copies of one another.
An aircraft that served in the Italian armed forces, if it is not to your liking, is to the liking of others, get over it.
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WDYM, Every SB2C-5 in War Thunder is nearly identical to the SB2C-4 of the USN.
Also, having nearly identical, but slightly worse payload options thanks to losing a 1000lb sea mine, which has 580kg TNT with 494kg weight, and replacing it with a 2000lb AN-M66A2, which has 632kg TNT with 996kg weight.
I won’t mind if you are gatekeeping those helldivers for keeping inside the US, because of nothing but you just don’t want to.
But please don’t spread false info, pal.
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Small payload option adjust. almost identical.
(SB2C-4 can use 1000lb Mk. 13 Mod 0 magnetic mine, which is lighter, while SB2C-5 can use 2000lb AN-M66, which is almost twice the weight)
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Japan and France both get rank 3 whilst U.S. only gets rank 2.
??? What a ridiculous comment. The S2BC-5 could still be added for the US; it hasn’t even been suggested yet. For what it’s worth, the C-5 had 35 gallons of extra fuel capacity and was slightly heavier than the C-4. That actually makes the C-4 aerodynamically better in-game due to the minimum fuel meta in War Thunder.
The differences between the C-5 and C-4 are mostly cosmetic, which doesn’t translate into anything meaningful in-game. Earlier Helldiver variants, by comparison, had different powerplants, propellers, and armament suites, meant to address Curtiss’ flawed design of the Helldiver. As others have already pointed out, the C-5 introduced an enlarged bomb bay that allowed it to carry a single 2,000 lb bomb, along with strengthened wings to support 2 x 1,000 lb bombs, but that’s essentially the extent of the changes.
For reference, here’s the armament list from the ACP for the C-4 and the SAC for the C-5.
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Yeah, never really understood why they don’t just move the US SB2Cs up and add the -5 to the group as well. Ditto with the M24 now that I think about it, everyone else has it at Rank III, but the US has it at II
Is it true that bomb bay doors were welded on Italian machines?
Nevermind, there are photos with opened bomb bay)
PS +1 Italian naval aviation needs more attention, preferably Interwar/WW2 stuff for me, but such postwar aircraft would be interesting too, not necessarily as a regular additions though.
it is true, they were sealed before shipping to avoid italy using them as bombers, just like they had their turret removed. But still we know that it wasn’t the case for all of them. I have to admit that it’s been a year i am a little rusty on this history i should go check
+1 for delivering democracy one dive at a time!
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So I normally oppose this as it is a copy paste to a BR where Italian attackers are abundant.
But as others pointed out, there is a clear lack of torpedo capable aircraft for naval battles. As Italy lack (or currently I don’t know) a design that can cover a higher BR range than current bombers, I support this.
Again, the welded bomb bays won’t work. We need a torpedo bomber
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(+1), Hi is there any proof that in Italian Helldivers the compatibility for the guns in the back was removed? (the ring where the guns go). I am asking that because also on the Greek one the machine guns were removed and still in game is coming with the guns, So is there any proof that for the Italian Helldiver that the machines guns were remove permanently?
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Yes they were removed, you can find proof just by looking at the pictures, the gunner port was replaced by a window for the observer to… look
that was in all the Helldivers, the same with the Greek ones, Gaijin needs proof that the mount for the guns was removed.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/YrJ6xF7gjdEV
I am asking for proof so i can show it to them so they will properly model the Greek one
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I still can’t get over our loss…
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It seems they may be 2 different cases but i’ll look into it this afternoon
These two sources have Hellenic Helldivers from the time period. It seems that they too are missing their rear gunner. Personally i don’t see it as much of a loss since the 7.7mm turret is borderline useless
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so i have looked into everything and: the bomb bay was not closed, despite rumors of it being closed i have found no proof and even the italian navy and airforce site states the ventral bomb bay armament.
And we also have this picture
AND
i am 100% sure they removed the gunners as it’s clearly stated and the seat was turned around (wich means altering the structure of the cabin itself)
Sorry if i couldn’t deliver this info immediatly but it has been exactly one entire year and i have reasonably forgotten some parts of this story.
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Thanks for answer.
Support comment for tech tree
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The issue is gaijin doesn’t care as long it was supposedly physically possible, for the rear turret to be put back in place. The Italian one will run to the same issue, cause as far I can see it just mentions the removal of the rear turret but it wasn’t modified to the point that it wasn’t compatible anymore.
So far I have yet to find sources claiming the turrets were ever put back on the Greek one, idk about the Italian one.