Italian Bell P-39Q Airacobra

Ok, that makes a lot more sense, but I’m sure Gaijin can quickly find the copy-paste vehicles that Italy operated without needing to search on the forums. I think more obscure vehicles deserve the effort of suggestions.

Also, I don’t think Gaijin doesn’t care about Italy, I think they are understaffed and overworked with too many things to do and add, so it takes them years to add considerable amounts to countries like Italy. I think they are really harsh to the Italian TT in terms of BRs. So many Italian vehicles are really overtiered, like the Re.2005 fighting freaking F-84s! Or the G.91Y and YS… but overall Italy does have a lot of nice things to enjoy.

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https://img-forum-wt-com.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/d/6/d6f32a776458cc2646bcd6691eef94d2983dc76b.jpeg
Why are you trying to shift the topic of what I was replying to with a completely irrelevant poll?

I think the community doesn’t agree that tech trees should get every single vehicle they ever operated and you respond with a screenshot of the poll about this specific aircraft, rather than a poll on what we are talking about. Proper NPC behaviour.

Also, almost all suggestion polls have more yes votes than no votes. Usually the ratio is between 90-98% yes, so an 83% yes ratio (with only 58 voters) is not exactly a prime example of this vehicle having huge support. Bear in mind this is on the Italian aircraft suggestions section, if we asked the average WT player regardless of nation played, I think the ratio would be much lower.

Finally we agree i see 😅👍🏻 but i still think that suggesting something “copy paste” it’s not gonna harm as it will just be sent on the suggestion page along side all the others. It’s just that at least it’s there.

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Yeah, I guess there’s no harm in it.

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Its finally settled

I think the fear that Gaijin will forget about Italian stuff is less of a fear of that and more of a fear that Gaijin will end up adding a Hungarian vehicle over say an Italian vehicle that would fit in at the same BR

Considering the Hungarian stuff are nicely “segregated” into their own lines with a few things like bombers, strikers and SPAAGs being mixed into the Italian lines, I think this ‘fear’ is unfounded. I mean the Hungarian bombers were not taking the place of anything it seems because from what I’ve seen the Italian bomber line didn’t seem to have much potential past rank III, and the strikers didn’t take the place of anything either. I’ve looked at all of the possible Hungarian strikers, bombers, and SPAAGs, and none of the ones that Gaijin are likely to add are competing with Italian designs for any limited spaces. Trust me, Gaijin would never waste their time doing any research into a Hungarian vehicle with little surviving information on it, when they could much easier just model a well-documented Italian vehicle. I don’t think this should be seen as Italian vehicle vs Hungarian vehicle competing for just one single space, when often both can be added and moved around at will.

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I think the fear is unfounded as well, based on what I’ve been able to see there are very few areas that anything could conflict

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Which ones? I showed you the 10-11 indigenous Hungarian aircraft, and you proceeded to say 4-5 are even worth adding, that means you don’t want half of them. You made it clear that you despise all Hungarian Soviet copy-pastes, even the ones that serve a useful purpose. And you clearly want every single Italian operated vehicle (including useless copy-pastes), just look at what you wrote below, remember?

So yeah, not sure what words I’m “putting into your mouth”.

Ok, and now you just shift your argument from “Romania can be a standalone TT” to “never mind, I meant the region around Romania could be a standalone TT”…

Like, what does that even mean? Hungary, Poland, Ukraine, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia as a standalone TT? Or maybe you mean Yugoslavia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria? Or that, but excluding Hungary?

But if you truly meant Romania should be a standalone TT while Hungary “doesn’t deserve to even be a subtree”, then that’s just crazy, considering they have about the same amount of vehicles to offer.

You may not have mentioned Finland, but if you think Hungary must be removed, then you sure are implying Finland and South Africa should also be removed with that logic!

So does Hungary… like keep up. And if you’re going to say “it isn’t indigenous enough”, then I will say Hungary could have 15-20 indigenous ground vehicles, not my fault Gaijin only put effort into modelling South African ground vehicles.

Said no one, ever. Literally for years people have been asking for a subtree for Italy, and Hungary became the prevailing candidate for that project, and while the subtree was implemented relatively poorly, most people are still somewhat happy with it for at least bolstering lineups and providing Italy with a fresh new player-base and a few unique vehicles.

You are literally equating the top half of only the air subtree with the entire Hungarian subtree as a whole, which isn’t even fully finished btw, saying therefore it sucks. That’s like me saying “top tier Italian jets are all American copy-paste, so let’s remove the entire Italian TT”!

First you say the whole Hungarian subtree shouldn’t have been added, then you say “well a ground subtree is fine, but I don’t want the air subtree”. Make up your mind. Also, there was a need for the Hungarian air subtree, that being filling out the bomber and striker lines for ground RB, and giving Italy more high tier jets, both of which Hungary did, and it didn’t seem that Italian alternatives had been found. Oh, and Britain has so much more aircraft than Italy, and they have a 5th line, so they obviously didn’t need an air subtree, whereas Italy air was very sparse and did need a subtree.

Will you let a argument die? No need to keep drawing this out, this is a suggestion, not a dm.

@Pacifica do you think you could purge this thread of the unrelated bickering.

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Say just out of curiosity, does anyone have a list of serial numbers of the P-39s Italy ended up getting?

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Nope, sorry, if you wanna go to Rome in "Via della Dogana Vecchia 29 " maybe you’ll find something in those archives, but i don’t think that’s very likely, right?
Can I ask you why you wanted to know the serial numbers?

Probably not for a while, the reason I ask is I was interested in seeing what happened to the ones Italy got, ie if any of them were still around as there’s quite a number of P-39s sitting around. Would be neat if one of them was an Ex-Italian one

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From Dimensione Cielo Vol.3 photos, I can list few:

  • 29199
  • 24741
  • 43036 (photo of not repainted yet)
    Some also have “x-3” or “x-5” instead of number on the tail.
    One has “97-0” on the door.
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With the Italian P51 getting passed to devs before other unique and domestic vehicles
I cannot in good faith vote yes
This is gonna be a sad but true

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