some copy-paste is either needed or premium.
the M-1 superhuman is the only Sherman in this tech tree with a stabilizer. i think we should not remove it. it offers a more offensive backup to the M-50 Mk. II.
the M16A1 is offering a stopgap SPAA we could replace it with the BTR-152 M45 but the tree has so much Halftrack that makes it feel odd to not include it.
the H.38 is the first reserve and offers the best armor of the low ranks. the T17E1 will be the backbone of the 2.0 line-up
The M7 & M10 are going to be the SPG of the 3.0 and 3.3 line-up
and so on.
removing them would weaken the line-up a lot and make the tech tree a lot less enjoyable that is true.
every SPAA except the French one who has a BR above 5.3 is ranked 4 in every tech tree. and adding it to rank 4 would make it less backward to move the Zsu-57-2 to rank 5 like it is in the Russian and Chinese tech tree.
it does not mean your idea is wrong or anything. The TCM-23 could fit in rank 3 but I think it would be natural at rank 4. I would not lose my mind if it ended up at rank 3. In the end, it would not change many things. it would just create a hole at rank 4 if we move the ZSU-57-2
because they are the best and they will sell well.
Gaijin got to capitalize on each development in one way or another. if they see no way to make money, they will not invest money. By putting some of the best or at least some of the most interesting vehicles as premium, the players will still have access to it if they are willing to pay while Gaijin can get income from it.
at the same time, on the research side, there are more than enough vehicles to have good gameplay.
“meir” would be hard to balance and use because the auto-cannon will reduce his BR a lot while the armor will be too good to get too low.
the Daimler is a premium because the T17E1 is better and in the research line. i needed some vehicles with more armor in the research line to give a bit of survivability. the T17E1 is way more protected.
the M1916 is weaker than the M-3 and slightly stronger than the Krupp. As the M-3 and Krupp were produced and put into service while the M1916 seemed to have been just a test bed, it seemed natural to make it a premium.
the Terrible Leopard is a premium because it’s a unique hero vehicle. the Marmon-Herrington Mk.4F could be added to the tech tree, but I didn’t,t because it would be a copy-paste that is needed and reduce the chance for the players to get the Terrible Leopard.
The Churchill is the only heavy tank of the low rank and one of the two Israeli heavy tanks that was ever used. but since it was not exactly used by Israel but rather by the predecessor of the IDF during WW2, It would be a bit odd to add it to the regular tech tree.
the Degem Yud is a premium because it’s the best and most unique-looking Sherman in the game. this makes it a way too special tank for the tech tree, it might be a rare event vehicle or something.
so as you can see, they all have a reason to be there and I didn’t just randomly put them there for the fun of it. but that Gaijin will decide at the end what and where everything goes. this is just a proposal.
You could put the Daimler of the Etzel (אצ"ל, National Military Organization) as the starting premium (like the I-15 Russia recently got), and let us have the Daimler of the Haganah - which had a slightly better engine, I think.
The M1916 is rather unique - but not too much. I agree with you that it can be a good premium vehicle.
The Marmon-Herrington Mk.IV F is essential for Israel, and is more unique than you might think - it is not an open top, unlike the Sarc Mk.IV.a we have in-game, and also got a .50 cal once.
The Churchill was used by the Jewish Brigade - which was the basis of the IDF; and since Israel does not have almost any heavy tanks, I belive this (and 2 of the 3 models of the IS-3 that Israel had as well) should be researchable - it is necessary for the tech-tree to have any kind of vehicle.
The Degem Yud - which by the way, has two different models, both tested on the same Sherman as I know - is rather unique, one of the most domestuc vehicles you may find for Israel. It is unfair to not let most players have it; and you can make other vehicles a premium - there are many great options, like the M4A3E8 122K60 Ro’em Prototype, the M-50 Hybrid, the M4A4 (FL-10) and so on.
the same model was used by many nations.
South Africa, UK, France, and other nations that are not yet in the game. if we add it as a regular vehicle, the other nation, at least UK shall get it. which makes it a pure copy-paste for Israel. but in the research line I give the version with the 37mm SA38 which is unique to Israel.
that is not what my source in Israel state. but its true source for this tank is hard to find. do you have a source for it? because the guys with who I work are “maniacs” of history and go search in the archive quite often and even provide the copy of the primary source of thousands of documents. we might be interested in looking at it.
+1 Yes, i’d prefer gaijin to finish a tree before they add new ones or new sub trees. I don’t play the nation at all. But in case of a rank 1 to 3 for isreal i’d say the less copied or look alike vehicles added the better.
no israel should not get any of the vehicles you are suggesting as they have never used them. this is because israel was created post ww2 and all the suggested vehicles were deemed completely obsolete by that time. the reason that the tt starts at rank 3 is because it was a country founded after ww2.
but that should not matter. Gaijin already confirmed years ago they are not restraining their requirement to any timeline.
all those vehicles were either prototypes or used in active services. most of them were in active services. the reason they were not added in the first place is mainly because they were not well know or not know at all.
many of those vehicles were fetched from the archive and research from rare books that went unnoticed when published. I got to build contact with people in Israel itself to help do that research, and I am 100% convinced there is more than enough to build a full fleshed-out tech tree out of it.
China had The Chinese-American 1st Provisional Tank Group under US command whose material was withdrawn after 1945. from 1945 to 1949 China received about no material at all and was considered as a rebelous faction of the Republic of China’s central government “now Taiwan”. Taiwan who only receive a handful of Vehicles during those same period.
all that China had was captured leftover tanks that were either abandoned by Japan or destroyed. Only a handful of T-26 remained along with a few lightly armored scout vehicles in the Taiwanese hands after WW2.
During the same period, Israel received hundreds of Armoured vehicles. the bulk of which were M3 and M5 Halftrack which was armed and modified by them. along with a few dozen of proper tanks which were built in their variant and a few hundred captured vehicles. they also had started to build up their armored force long before their country was formed. in the 20s, the Jews in Palestine were already forming and equipping themself with armored vehicles.
Israel might only be a regional power but it remains with an armored history about as long as China.
Now I’m not opposing having WW2 br Israeli tanks, but you are really cherry-picking here as there were T-26s operated during Sino-Japanese War as early as the Battle of Shanghai (1937). Various other tanks including Vickers Mk E and CV33 were used under direct Chinese command before the US lend-lease kicked in. Besides If we really count back to the interwar period then the Chinese Northeastern Army formed its first armored force in 1919.
Didn’t Israel also capture some Soviet vehicles from the Arab nations?
Israel seized some T-34-85s and SU-100s during the Suez Crisis from Egypt and in the Six-Day War of 1967 some IS-3’s were captured by Israel and briefly used.
I found an article which talks about IS-3’s being captured by Israel.
Over six days, the Israelis captured 820 tanks, 73 of which were heavy IS-3M tanks. Part of the tanks received V-54 engines from knocked out or captured T-54A tanks and a new engine compartment roof, and served with the IDF until the early 1970s, frequently participating in military parades.
Furthermore, some T-34s and SU-100s are on display in museums around Israel after having been used, with some in rather good states of condition.
