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Yeah, the optics are standard. Better than the likes of the Type 90, T-80B, or Ariete, however.
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With the top tier CAS meta, being quite literally invulnerable to Helis and other forms of laser munitions is not something to scoff at. Also, you’re not using ESS right if you call it useless. It also has some of the best side armor of any MBT, only being beaten out by Russian tanks with side-mounted K5 and Relikt. Autocannons cannot penetrate the upper-side and the lower-side, being ~70mm, will not only reduce most of the spall, but due to the amount of empty space in the tank, will often lead to encounters where you soak up seconds of autocannon fire to the side and come out unscathed.
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You cannot downplay M322. 3BM42 and DM23 are FAR outclassed by M322, as M322 has a 100mm+ advantage over 3BM42 and 150mm+ over DM23. Also if you’re having problems penetrating the M1A1 HC, Leclerc, or T-80’s, thats a you problem.
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It directly outreloads the TURMS. 7.1s vs 6.4s experted on the Merk Mk.3. Do you even play the game at the higher tiers? It can go to 11.0 with a 5s reload or 11.0 without it. Its not a 10.7 tank.
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The Merkava Mk.3 has NO ammo in the turret. I don’t even know what you’re rambling about now. The ammunition is stored in the bottom of the tank and at the rear, giving it decent ammunition stowage. Also, don’t expect to take multiple hits in ANY MBT and come out unscathed. The Mk.3’s armor, while generally weak, can 100% save you a couple times. If it does, it did its job. Play it defensive, and make sure to shake your turret if you’re about to get hit.
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Yes, it does struggle with mobility. However, it’s better than vehicles like the Challenger, TURMS, T-72B, and T-90A.
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I doubt you even play the game. 11.3 is constant downtiers into 10.7 and 10.3 games. And wowie, the 12.0 vehicles will outperform you.
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Its platform supports it decently. Also, saying the 2A4 has equal firepower is laughable. My only takeaway from this is that I doubt you play the game. Its an 11.0 tank.
Isn’t the ready ammo stored in the back of the turret? Or am I just mistaking it for the Merkava Mk4s?
I’m not the best in tanks but the Merkava Mk 3s are okay, not the best but not the worst either. Of course, at the end of the day, it all depends on how you play them.
Yeah, the Merkava Mk.4’s ammo is stored in the turret rear.
The thing is with the Merkava is that it requires a special playstyle. You need to adjust to it.
Yep, it’s the same with russian vehicles, the mobility is not good at all when moving backwards but if you use it well, you might get better results. I like being able to move fast both backward and forward so I like the Merkavas more than the T-Series tanks. but of course it all comes to the playstyle.
Not realy an argument.
India has rafale and the leo 2a4 copy. They are pretty western as well.
Just not in the aspect u might like.
Its not an argument.
First of all, you’re confusing several models. The Merkava Mk.3 is not the Mk.4. It has no active protection system, no hard-kill missile defenses. Any guided missile will destroy it instantly, and it has no real counter to helicopters other than smoke which, in the current CAS meta, is far from enough.
Regarding ESS, I never said it was theoretically useless, but in practice, thermal dominance at top tier makes ESS close to irrelevant. In open maps or multi-angle fights, it won’t save you at most, it buys you a second.
As for the ammo layout, as shown in the image I posted earlier, the Merkava Mk.3 stores 11 rounds split between two side ammo racks, with additional rounds placed in the turret. That layout is unique no other tank in its BR spreads ammo this recklessly. A single turret or side penetration often results in instant detonation. Meanwhile, other tanks store ammo in safer, more protected compartments.
Saying that autocannons “can’t penetrate” is simply wrong. Weapons like the CV90’s autocannon can easily penetrate both the turret and side armor. And let’s not forget: the Merkava has one of the largest silhouettes in the game. It’s an easy target from every angle.
The M322 round is strong, yes. But saying, “if you can’t penetrate an M1A1 HC or Leclerc, it’s your fault”, completely misses the point. Penetration alone doesn’t win engagements. If you shoot and can’t reposition before the enemy fires back, you lose. And in the Merkava, that happens a lot it has zero margin for error.
Its reload rate is decent, but not exceptional. It’s slightly faster than the TURMS (which has no autoloader and doesn’t fire ATGMs), but not enough to justify a full BR gap. On the other hand, T-80s do have guided missiles that can penetrate up to 850mm, which must be factored into any firepower comparison. The Merkava lacks such versatility.
Saying that it’s “faster than a Challenger” is hardly praise. It’s still slow, heavy, and has poor repositioning capabilities and in top tier, mobility is crucial for survival and tactical effectiveness.
Finally, claiming that I “don’t even play the game” because I criticize the Merkava Mk.3’s performance is not an argument. I play it and that’s exactly why I know how poorly it performs. And regarding matchmaking: the Raam Segol is frequently up-tiered into 11.7 and 12.0 matches, not 10.3 or 10.7 like you claimed. Those favorable matches are rare exceptions, not the norm.
yes it does
as you said
the merk 4 stores ammo in the turret the 3 does not
also where did you get 11 from, I dont think any merkava has 11 round side racks, its 18 on the merk 3 and 17 on the 4
lmao, yeah famously russian autoloader carousels are a safe way to store ammo, along with challenger and ariete storing theirs behind the weakest spot of front armour on the tank
yeah but its got more than just a better reload over the turms
850mm of chemical penetration, aka, useless at top tier, so no it doesnt need to be factored into firepower comparisons
I’ve played a bit of 11.3 Merkavas and they should be getting 5s reload if they want to stay at 11.3, otherwise 11.0 is just fine.
no
What I’m showing in the image are 11 rounds. I don’t carry full ammo loads because it makes it much easier to get blown up hat’s why I only carry 11. And in the image, you can clearly see how they are placed inside the tank: the Merkava Mk.3 uses two separate ammo racks instead of just one, which would be the logical and safer choice as is done in other Merkavas or similar vehicles.
Merkava Mk.3:
Merkava Mk.2
U right mb
T90a has better mobility with 3.9 more twr
you are somehow completely missing a certain design flaw common with every t72 and t90
Have you tried tier 1 japan?
No i didnt
Read again my comment
Now u can add that it has better acceleration too
Indeed, Chile could give Israel the things it lacks the most, such as a large number of light vehicles, anti-aircraft guns, and tank destroyers. Best of all, several of these vehicles are of Israeli origin or have some Israeli element, so they make a lot of sense in Israel. These would be:
Cardoen Piraña 6x6 TCM-20 (BR 4.7)
- Description:
- Mowag Piranha built under license in Chile by Cardoen industries, this version has 2 HS.404 automatic cannons better known as TCM-20 of Israeli origin for anti-aircraft defense. It could be the direct continuation of Israel’s TCM-20 since it represents an improvement in speed and protection of the crew as it is a completely closed vehicle that withstands low-caliber shots.
M-51 Repotenciado (BR 7.3)
- Description:
- Israeli M-51 that were sold to Chile and later modernized, the engine was changed to a new Detroit diesel 8V-71T of 475 hp engine that increased the maximum speed to 41 km/h, which improved its ability to climb steep slopes. The engine platform was modified and a new exhaust outlet was installed for the engine, an improved periscope was added for the driver, the MSZ-2 fire control system was added that had a laser rangefinder for the gunner, a special support for minesweepers that also acted as additional armor on the front of the tank.
M41 Repotenciado (BR 7.3)
- Description:
- M41 from Chile modernized by Israeli companies, the Nimda company changed the original engine for a Detroit Diesel 8V-71T and modified the engine area by eliminating the 2 original engine exhaust outlets, the Elbit and Elop companies added the fire control system Lan-Sadot added new optics for the commander and gunner, a ballistic computer and a laser rangefinder to the tank. Finally, the Chilean army added 4 smoke launchers to some of these tanks.
M24 HVMS Super Chaffee (BR 7.3)
- Description:
- Chilean M24 armed with the Israeli IMI HVMS 60 mm cannon capable of firing APFSDS-T ammunition, mount for an extra 7.62 mm Browning M1919 machine gun, new Detroit Diesel 6V-53T engine, new Allison HT 700 5-speed automatic transmission, new fire control system and new gyro stabilizer. The weight increased to 22 tons.
M-50 HVMS Super Sherman (BR 7.3)
- Description:
- M-50 purchased from Israel by Chile and armed with the Israeli IMI HVMS 60 mm cannon capable of firing APFSDS-T ammunition, in Chile they were modified to have a semi-automatic reloading system that allowed it to fire 12 shots per minute, new Detroit diesel 8V-71T of 475 hp engine , new engine platform and new exhaust outlet, new periscope with light intensifier for the commander for night missions, new rotating periscope for the driver, new fire control system MSZ-2 for the gunner that has a laser rangefinder. All these improvements made it the most powerful Sherman ever operated.
Ail Storm 106mm (BR 7.3)
- Description:
- 106mm recoilless guns are mounted on Israeli Ail Storm M240 light vehicles that do not have a roof so that the guns be fired from them and have an extra metal plate for the engine cover for the cannon to rest on, in addition these cannons were modified in Chile and very important features were added, which are: thermal or infrared sight, laser rangefinder, digital aiming with fire calculator and MVS-800 night vision system and the driver is he equipped him with the independent NVG-50 system. The vehicle can carry up to 7 shells, 1 reloaded in the cannon and 6 in the rear of the vehicle under the feet of the loader and gunner.
M41 HVMS (BR 7.7)
Description:
- Prototype of a Chilean M41 walker bulldog armed with the Israeli IMI HVMS 60 mm cannon capable of firing APFSDS-T ammunition.
FAMAE Piraña 6x6 HVMS (BR 8.0)
- Description:
- Mowag Piranha built under license in Chile by Cardoen industries, this version uses the Israeli IMI HVMS 60 mm cannon capable of firing APFSDS-T ammunition. This Chilean variant also has a turret designed by IMI for the M113 which had 2 different loading systems, one semi-automatic and the other automatic. It is unknown which of the 2 systems this prototype used. In the game it would be very similar or almost the same as the Italian AUBL/74 HVG but this version would be Chilean/Israeli.
Cardoen Piraña 6x6 LAHAT (BR 9.3)
- Description:
- Mowag Piranha built under license in Chile by Cardoen industries and Famae, this version uses an octuple launcher of Israeli LAHAT anti-tank missiles. This prototype was seen in the desert north of Chile carrying out test shots. There is also a video where you can see a Leopard 1V from Chile firing this missile.
Leopard 1V (BR 9.3)
- Description:
- In 1997, Chile acquired 202 Leopard 1V combat tanks belonging to the Netherlands. These had a series of improvements which were a hydraulic turret stabilization system from the manufacturer Honeywell, appliqué-type spaced armor on the tank tower from the German manufacturer Blohm + Voss, side skirts on the hull and the EMES-12A3 AFSL-2 fire control system produced by Honeywell and Zeiss (today Hensoldt), so after this improvement process they received the designation 1V of Verbeterd or Improved. Before being received by Chile, the Panzer-Ziel night image intensification system und Beobachtungsgerät PZB 200 from AEG-Telefunken was added, a search light was also added to the top of the tank. Currently these tanks use Israeli IMI M413 Hetz-7 (APFSDS-T), IMI M156 (HESH) ammunition and the LAHAT anti-tank missile was also tested. There is also evidence of the use of the multispectral blanket of the Israeli company Fibrotex.
Leopard 2A4 CHL (MCS) (BR 11.3)
- Description:
- In 2015, a FibroTex package was installed in a Leopard 2A4CHL of the Chilean army. The kit tested was called “multispectral cloak” and was intended to be deployed on mobile and static platforms. The kit does not protect against attack but provides electro-optic mimicry and protection against electromagnetic detection, which helps make the tank much more difficult to detect and therefore not as easily prey to anti-tank missiles or other infrared-guided devices (SWIR) or thermal systems. This new version of the Chilean Leopard also includes the most powerful Israeli M322 ammunition that penetrates up to 589 mm.
There are many more Chilean vehicles, but I only wanted to show those that have a direct relationship with Israel, which are quite a few and more than any other nation.
I also completely agree with what you say, I have all the Israeli vehicles and it is a suffering to grind the tree, I am not saying that the lower BR vehicles are bad but it is monotonous and boring to play the same thing over and over again, only medium vehicles. Israel really needs more light vehicles and tank destroyers without taking into account that they lack a good amount of anti-aircraft and some BR jumps are quite abrupt especially in the lower BR. In top tier it is true that it seems that the Merkavas are nerfed, I understand that in real life they are very resistant to protect the crew and in the game with a shot that you receive in the chassis you are almost always dead
I know it has multiple internal ammo racks, I think the ammo layout in the merk 3 is actually better than most other tanks at its br because it doeant store ammo in the turret and it stores it in the back of the tank instead of the front.
Youre not going to address any of my other points?
No point, he refuses to accept the advantages of the Mk.3 over 10.7 vehicles.
Some really cool stuff here, thank you for sharing.