Is WarThunder a moral company?

[Real_K_Soze]

@ap0calyptica

And I say this as someone who really enjoys War Thunder, but wish the entire dev and management teams were sent to the gulags so that a company from the West could take over and fix the attitudes, culture, and processes at Gaijin.

Imho you might consider taking the RED PILL asap.

• I have zero clue why you think that Western companies (or governments) would be (more) honest to you. I mean just remember the news and corporate policies during the pandemic, you lost in most countries your job if your employer asked for a mandatory vaccination and you refused to take the shot.

• I do agree that communication by gaijin is rather rude and looks not really like they would care, but this was always their Achilles heal - totally ignorant and a heavy resistance towards constructive feedback.

• I do agree that the game in itself is rather a mess as countless bugs and flaws force even experienced players to look for niches which enables fun and challenges despite these shortcomings, but your rant towards the Russian Federation is imho based on pure indoctrination.

• Try to go outside in any Western countries with non-popular opinions - at best you just lose your job. So the freedom you feel is just an illusion.

• You live in a bubble of stereotypes - and your history of gaijin is not complete - you forgot the Chinese investor of gaijin. With some research you find out, that investments in foreign companies always fulfill a certain purpose and the CCP decides what is the goal.

[ap0calyptica]

That’s just how life works. The vast majority of people don’t or refuse to have a voice. So, while you might be speaking on the behalf of 1 000 000 happy players. I’m probably speaking on behalf of 1 000 000 upset players who find themselves not enjoying the game, are taking a break until issues have been fixed, or have given up on the game entirely.

And the likelihood of someone happy with the game coming to these forums is much higher than someone who gave up on it, is taking a break, or no longer cares about it. So, if anything, the bias here will be skewed in the opposite way that you’ve assumed–and especially when you take the staff contributions into account.

[SinisterIsRandom]

EA tried to make people pay somewhere around 400 dollars to unlock Darth Vader or spent 40 hours to unlock him. Tried to defend loot boxes by calling them “Surprise mechanics”. The removal of founders of a company that they had acquired, replacing them with people who were never there in the first place leaving it as a shell, a puppet of its former self. While other companies have done similar. EA always took it further than required.

Gaijin is nowhere near that, they are greedy, and excuse my French but EA are Greedy Bastards who would milk their consumers as much as possible just to get the Golden Eggs and milk.

[SinisterIsRandom]

What the hell are you even saying…your statement has no bondable foundation. Countries are not gonna run a game company. GAME Companies and other businesses will make efforts to run them.
Corporations are not countries. They are completely different figureheads, Governments around the world run their country how THEY see fit. It doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong in their eyes but to others that’s a different story.

Corporations on the other hand are not the government, they do not have a say in how a country runs at all in the grandeur. So to answer your question, no country is gonna run it, a corporation would and they will either bring it to their knees or shut it down if it is acquired without consideration for the communities built around it.

[AlvisWisla]

Russia and China have no say in Gaijin Entertainment, it’s a private company.
No government has a say, which is why there’s no bias toward any tech tree in War Thunder.

[GNDM_Panzer]

We’ve gone from talking about just the company to now geopolitics. Blud, you’re on track to get the thread shut down faster if that’s your aim.

Now, where’s my popcorn.

Anyways, Gaijin has issues as a company. That much is undisputable. The game has issues. Also undisputable. As for the morality of it? Well, from an objective standpoint they’ve done both moral and amoral things in regards to the game. As for the company itself? Well, not enough conclusive evidence on that front.

Like others have mentioned, though. Gaijin doesn’t hold a candle to the likes of EA and Activision-Blizzard. Remember, Activision literally milked a franchise called Guitar Hero into the ground and then shot it in the back of the head unceremoniously. Not to mention all the projects EA pulled the plug on simply because they didn’t think they were profitable enough.

I could go on, but certainly you understand at this point.

Though I’m less interested in continuing this ultimately pointless discussion and more interested in getting Gaijin on the right path when it comes to War Thunder.

[FlyingDoctor]

The goal of they who put the politics out there was to make the thread get closed and cleaned up so they can cry foul more.

[NewDawnSets]

This really does encapsulate the outlook of everyone saying “Well maybe if you just spend another 4 years grinding to get the vehicles you actually want you’ll stop crying, that or spend 100 dollars to speed it up.” Which is just deranged.

[_MoYo]

oh,didn’t know i guess that’s…worst.

[AlvisWisla]

@ap0calyptica

There was a outpouring from the community about Russian bias in the past.

Which was always wrong. Not crazy, they were perfectly sane; Having wrong information is not crazy.

And all RNG is datamined, for RNG to be nation specific that’d increase the game size and development size.

[Pecanin]

@AlvisWisla

Which was always wrong, and based in xenophobia. Not crazy, they were perfectly sane; Having wrong information is not crazy.

No it wasn’t Xenophobic

Why are you denying reality
It was PROVEN on old forums that Gaijin gave extra armor to Russian tanks
By same dataminers that you are using to prove “something”

That is just one example .

[AlvisWisla]

Gaijin did not give Soviets “extra armor”. A damage model was accidentally duplicated on exclusively T-34, and T-44s lost their roof for months. Both are bugs, one is positive, and one is negative.
Neither were intentional, and it didn’t impact other tanks.
And you cite the dataminers that prove they were bugs and not intentional.

[Pacifica]

@AlvisWisla

Russia and China have no say in Gaijin Entertainment, it’s a private company.
No government has a say, which is why there’s no bias toward any tech tree in War Thunder.

Hell… not even the US butts in… you would think they would want a say in how something preforms…

I remember players coming in like ten years ago, wondering why the P-51 is not as over powered as they have heard in war stories or movies they have seen… and wonder why they keep losing in the P-51…

@ap0calyptica

That’s just how life works. The vast majority of people don’t or refuse to have a voice. So, while you might be speaking on the behalf of 1 000 000 happy players. I’m probably speaking on behalf of 1 000 000 upset players who find themselves not enjoying the game, are taking a break until issues have been fixed, or have given up on the game entirely.

You or others do not speak for anyone… everyone has their own voice to use here…
We tend to have very “loud” speakers here, they tend to think they speak for the majority just because they are making the most noise…

“The vast majority of people don’t or refuse to have a voice.”

What you fail to realize is, most players are not that fussed with game play, they are just happy to play…

If they have some kind of reason to raise issues, then they can use the forum to raise issues and or offer feedback…

EVERYONE has a right to raise concerns here, NO ONE has refused to have a voice here… its just a simple fact of the matter they just do not care right now, they are just happy to play…

@ap0calyptica

But, just look how aggressively you’re defending this game. That’s why I say that you’re on your knees. Most self-respecting people would require payment for such dutiful service. But, you’re more than happy dancing for free lol.

I have had enough of this stupid nonsense… this personal attack ends now…

@Thomas_Belgium

I personally have never had this happen to me. All moderators I have spoken to were very helpful and considerate of my plights (deleted comments, chat ban and a dis-approved suggestion post).

Thank you! and to everyone else that understands…

And if there are any issues with Staff, then concerns can be raised with Community Managers

@GNDM_Panzer

Well, this is a thread. Didn’t have it on my WT forum bingo this week, though.

indeed…

@Ravanos

Needing to rely on a AI to help you write something on a forum is very sad.

We actually encourage those that do not know English, or English is not their native language here to use some kind of Translator to chat or discuss issues and or offer Feedback etc… AI, wouldnt have been my first choice my self… but hell, I failed English and its my native language lol…

so, really no harm in him using AI to help make sure there is nothing lost in translation… I dont blame him for trying to be careful or using AI to help keep things respectful… so, good on him!

Does not mean we have to agree with somethings… but, everyone has their right to opinion… as long as its respectful…

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But… anyway… the disruption has been sorted out, and Thread Cleaned up a bit… Thanks guys!

[AntoineCH52]

Thank you for the clean up

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@AlvisWisla

Russia and China have no say in Gaijin Entertainment, it’s a private company.

Nobody knows that.While I find the American “Red under the bed” mentality tiresome none of us know what link Gaijin have unless we are at a high level working for them. Companies have to play ball if they want to sell a product in particular country sometimes.

[Pacifica]

@EddieVanHalo

Companies have to play ball if they want to sell a product in particular country sometimes.

No they dont… and if there is some kind of conflict of interest, then companies just do not sell there

All that matters is the Law to those countries

And so this line of questioning ends now as well… since there are no basis for it whatsoever, in other words… it is not supported by facts or evidence…

[Lichdragon_Fortysnacks]

If you look at the game, download the game, play the game, and spend money/time on the game, then decide you don’t like but keep playing anyway, you don’t get to say you are a victim. This isn’t Gaijin robbing you, this is Gaijin selling you a hole full of mud to stand in and for some reason you thought you’d enjoy standing in it and you won’t get out even after deciding you’re not having a good time.

[NewDawnSets]

What the hell are you talking about?

[anastasia001122]

you just exagerate.
you have squadron vehicles, those you can optain faster.
you have events, like the on to come, if you play 2 weeks you can get F14.

You should give some love back to WT at least… at least love if not money.

[ShermyDragon]

@Vianočka

Gaijin is fine, you should just learn how F2P games works.

Like Warframe? That one has miles better, more customer-friendly monetization, and its playerbase loves the devs :P