Yes, sometimes I would rather be killed straight away than be kept crippled for 10 more seconds, hahah.
There’s also a factor here; matchmaking.
The most common matchmaking in Top Tier including is usually:
Germany + Sweden + Russia + Italy VS U.S + U.K + Israel
So… yes, Italy may have the worse Arietes; but they also have a Leopard 2A7HU that, in these cases, also add up with Leopard 2A7V, the 3x Strv 122 lineup spam, Russian MBTs and SU-34s and alikes with their KH-38 spam, and Pantsirs negating the strenght of U.S’ CAS.
So, even if Italy “has it worse” than U.S, the matchmaking largely benefits their winrates. That is, not to mention that there’s like 1 Italian player per every 500 U.S players, and that one Italian player is more often than not an eSports-level player looking for a challenge…
That’s why I never liked using Win Rates to determine the capabilities of vehicles; too many human factors involved that alter these outcomes.
It’s always the ‘minor nations have the good players’ to explain everything, when in reality that point has become a thing for quite a good time now, it gets tiring.
I can’t specifically talk stats since, well, we don’t have any hard numbers to work with and I’m already running tests on the Abrams and 2a7v stats atm.
I think there’s truth behind that; for example, the majority of the few Italian players are EXTREMELY good players who play weaker tanks looking for a challenge…
The thing is, that is not the good point the people who use this argument believe it to be, in my opinion.
All nations should be balanced around AVERAGE players. I hate when people use the “skill issue git gud Italy WR” argument because, even if skill was the only factor, which it isn’t, you should never demand players to be eSports level to make a nation work. Every nation should be able to work with average players.
Why should some nations require you to be a professional player to do well with, while others allow you to win automatically by rushing mindlessly because its vehicles literally win on their own?
I was talking with someone earlier about MM and said i couldnt personally use it to justify or argu against a point due to it being unquantifyable, last match for example i was US, China, Sweden and i think isreal against RU, GER and britain
usually when im sweden im not with russia anymore.
it literally cant tbh due to as you say numerical differences . however it can show us how a nation does overall.
and as i said if nations that have horrifically worse vehicles are doing okay then how come the US which has debatably the best cas, decent MBT, average SPAA and best light tank (now) at top tier be doing so much worse.
The answer is the players statistically speaking it has to be, if its one standout problem.
there is no way to change what class of person flocks to which nation. if everything was “balanced”, the nations with the best players would win, you cannot force players who reach for the stars to play a certain nation
but this literally shows how the abrams isnt the issue.
The italian win rate even before the 2A7 HU , was miles ahead of americas , same as france, china and hell even britain.
The all of these tanks are statistically worse than the abrams bar maybe in one specific area, e.g france, reload, britain slight edge on armour ( if you can say that now) etc etc.
The abrams itself while should be historically accurate as should every nations equipment, is not a bad MBT that is struggling.
okay, so before the 2a7 HU, italy had only the arietes.
france the leclercs
britain the horrific CR2s.
China the ztz 99s.
and isreal the merkavas
how are all of these nations whos tanks are statistically worse, and lineups for years were worse, doing better than the US tree?
because the players for the US tree are the problem, most the matches are decided by people , even with full lineups, just leaving
Why can you stomp while playing Sweden or Russia by rushing mindlessly like a headless chicken, while you need to become a professional player to achieve the same effectiveness in nations like U.S, U.K, and France?
All nations should offer equal chances for all kinds of players. There should not be certain nations that you can stomp with while turning your brain off while other nations require you to sweat your ass off in order to do well with them.
Kinda as you said, it is fine that not all tanks are necessarily as good as each other- but, as of now, that’s the case largely because of mismodelling and bugs, more than real life issues.
If all tanks had their bugs and mismodelling issues fixed, the game would be MUCH more balanced in Top Tier. Most of the unbalance is created artificially through these nerfs and bugs that are never solved.
Like i said , even though the minor nations tanks, france, china, britain, isreal and italy (not the 2a7hu)
Are all statistically worse than the abrams how did / do people get the winrate up even to 50 percent.
Its not the contrary it statistically proves that the US Win rates are effected by the players more than the vehicle due to the fact far worse vehicles and lineups are out performing the US.
The abrams is above the average in wt in my opinion, but lets say it is average, due to the amount of leo2a5s and 6s now in various trees.
The US overall lineup is far better than most other trees due to the versatility and cas options.
Why is the winrate so low?
All these debates are of minute differences in stats.
E.g the speed/ acceleration some one was doing on the mobility of leo and abrams comparison.
Say compare rhe abrams to the leclerc, type 10, ztzs, cr2s arietes etc.
It is the better tank overall by a margin.
Genuinely if it isnt the players why is the us win rate so low.
Just a little caveat.
This is not an argument against fixing the abrams.
As i will repeat, the abrams ans all mbts should get the relevant fixes as per bug reports etc, then a br shift to reflect that.
because by Gaijin logic so called strongest ground line up in entire WT history (according by some) need to babies sitting deadweight US Clickbait horde that don’t even know how to play Abrams and I’m kinda sick babysitting them while playing Sweden
Well, it typical for minor nation because the players are so few and most of them are experience players
Sweden luckiest of them all that they have both experience players and Beast like Strv122.
I do better in the ztz 99 II and III than i do with other trees and they are statistically pretty poor compared to thr 12.0s they face.
Yet i sat with 2 m1a1 HCs firing st me unable to kill me while i killed them both…
How does that work they have the 2nd best top tier round and should be able to have shrecked me.
Us teams are something else, hell even when i take out the m1a2 its the same, they just fold like hot butter.