Is US top tier too weak

[ExcaliburSniper]

@Ion_Protogen

I remember it being 50/50 for whether people liked the 2A6 or 122 better at that point.

Weakspots size on targets isn’t significantly different between DM33 and DM53. The numbers make it seem like a lot but in practice your room for error doesn’t increase since you still need to shoot the same zones (LFP/driver…).

@Ion_Protogen

Currently the 2A7/122s don’t have those drawbacks. Russian tanks have worse mobility, gun handling, gun depression, and turret armour, in order to go with their good hull armour.

You keep repeating that and it doesn’t get any less inconsequential or false. Mobility is better except for reverse speed. Turret armor is better. The rest are easy drawbacks to overcome and the better armor more than makes up for them where the player cannot.

@Ion_Protogen

It does matter.

I explained multiple times how it doesn’t and you’ve ignored it every time. Pattern forming.

[ExcaliburSniper]

@Morvran

Britain has the same system with no gun (So tenatively worse) and Israel doesnt even have a top tier SPAA at all, Italy only has an SPAAG and Japan’s is good under some conditions, but worse in others.

Only nations that have “good” SPAA at the moment are Soviets, China, France and Sweden. Germany better than most, but worse than others by quite a bit

That’s what you said. The obvious implication in the earlier context is that US doesn’t have the worst AA therefore the ADATS isn’t the issue. Yes you’re right and I was wrong, it’s not the worst AA, but its shittiness is more important because it faces the best CAS threats and is going to be the main AA of a team, that’s what I was getting at.
A full team of otomatics would get demolished harder than a team of ADATS, but the former doesn’t happen, the latter does.

[Morvran]

You made the claim that

@ExcaliburSniper

@Ion_Protogen

Good. AA should be very good, and all nations need something equivalent to, or better than the pantsir.

And the US has by far the worst. But you’re glancing over that. Cool.

The US has the worst SPAA, with the implication that is the worse SPAA at top tier compared to all other nations. I was correcting that assumption in that its actually 6/10. with 4 nations currently far weaker than the US in terms of SPAA

Quite frankly. ALL 10 nations need new top tier SPAA.

@ExcaliburSniper

important because it faces the best CAS threats

Whilst the Pantsir is obviously the best SPAA and so aircraft like the Su-34 have an easier time. Its not the ONLY top tier CAS power at the moment. Argubaly the US actually has the strongest CAS line-up at the moment due to the fact they can spawn in both the F-16C and F-15E without the SP cost increase normally associated with spawning 2 multirole aircraft (like spawning in the Typhoon and Gripen for Italy and Britain)

[ExcaliburSniper]

@Morvran

with 4 nations currently far weaker than the US in terms of SPAA

For the last time, only the major nations’ SPAA matter. Pantsir, ADATS, Flakrad. ADATS is by far the worst of the 3. It can’t even automatically lock a target found by its radar, and it’s not even allowed to keep a lock on incoming missiles, and it doesn’t even have smokes.

@Morvran

Argubaly the US actually has the strongest CAS line-up at the moment due to the fact they can spawn in both the F-16C and F-15E without the SP cost increase normally associated with spawning 2 multirole aircraft (like spawning in the Typhoon and Gripen for Italy and Britain)

US CAS is strong but that is negated by the fact that they can’t point and click like the SU34 can because of the Pantsir. A jet that can shoot from outside of SAM range is massively more effective than one that needs to constantly turn and dive and only has a split second to find and shoot targets.

Without the Pantsir both RU and US CAS would be broken, Pantsir just means RU CAS is allowed to dominate.

Also Apache UH60 and AH-1Z are stronger than Ka50 Ka52 and Mi28? Lmao

[Senri猫太沉]

In a match last night, a player with a negative KD who was driving an M1A2HC used arty to team-kill (TK) my M1A2 SEPV2, and didn’t even apologize. Yes, that was his only kill in the whole game. This idiot couldn’t even fire the arty accurately. When I was driving my second tank and was just one kill away from getting 2500 respawn points to nuke, another M1 KVT player with a negative KD blocked my line of sight, giving the enemy’s T90M a chance to reload its cannon and fire at us.What happened above was the case throughout my whole gaming experience for the entire night. These people don’t deserve to win when they play games.

[sdt777]

• BAD AAs

• No real tecnology ( like Trophy system)

• all MBTs use “normal” ammo (no uranium ammo)

• no Boron Carbide Ceramics only default snail armor. (while most all urss tanks have active defense system)

even having great guns all US tanks are weak thew are not bad just incomplete

[An_Pigeon]

Yeah man definitely agree there.
If it could use sidewinders then yeah add it, but i like seeing vehicles added with their full capacity.

Would st least give wn answer to other nations to compete with pantsir

[An_Pigeon]

Again i wouldn’t respond to the dude mate if you do not categorically agree youre a bias apologist.

I stopped responding when i made a plethora of points to which he responded to me and another guy just insulting us and it got removed.

Its.not worth your time.

[An_Pigeon]

The fact he didnt put any concise arguments across when, and just said irrelevant to your very well made points, shows that hes trolling or just looking for an argument.

I agree with you, the abrams firepower combo with mobility (average survivability too) and good turret armour makes up for the lack of the hull.

The 2a7 and 122 right now are annoying and are ahead of the competition but not to the point the abrams cant cinpete effectively

[MotorolaCRO]

@ExcaliburSniper

Turret armor is better.

T-tanks have better turret armor than Leopards.
Just lol.

@ExcaliburSniper

For the last time, only the major nations’ SPAA matter.

Let’s just ignore seven other nations because I said so.

[An_Pigeon]

I gotta say mate, you are consistently insulting others with absolutely no basis to do so,

@ExcaliburSniper

liar at best and cheater at worst

who are you to call him this?

@ExcaliburSniper

your side of this topic look like trash though

and no he did not, he literally used the definition of a word that you are throwing around to poke a massive hole in the insults you are using.

I come to the forums to have respectable, intelligent discussions without seeing others getting insults hurled at them.

@ExcaliburSniper

the evidence is the winrate and the way the average US vs RU game goes. an absolute stompfest where half your team is gone in 5 minutes and what’s left gets hit with six kh38 per minute.

that is not russian bias, thats due to one death leavers, even guys with full lineups leaving,

@ExcaliburSniper

Abrams a better round are very easy way to bring the winrate back to ~50%

it wont bring it back to 50 percent at all.
the abrams round combined with its 5 second reload puts it even ahead of the 2a7 for firepower.
it also has incredibly responsive mobility and if used right good turret armour, more than can be said for more than literally half the MBTs in game.

Funny you’re one of the players whos been here for so long, yet, you firmly believe in russian bias, when you only have one russian tank and even with that dont even have a 2.0 KD and seeing as its literally youre only russian vehicle it also shows you are a 1 death leaver, no one has over 400 backups for one vehicle. which further pads stats. (seeing as you said this “I don’t feel the need to check stats especially when I know im better than 99% of you even though i play much worse vehicles”
compare the T80UM2 to the abrams which you overall are far more efficient with?

Also to touch on that point, you have not played japan, isreal, china, britain or even sweden ground, so no you havent even played what are considered the worst tanks in the game (CR2s are abysmally difficult to do well with unless squaded up even then its a slog.)

so yeah mate, sit down, youve barely actually played any other nation outwith germany, italy and the USA and i think france.

[An_Pigeon]

While im laughing, tbis is where the discussion has went again, mindless insults cause he just wants to argue.

I want to see the vehicles that need fixed, fixed, not continuous buffs to america and the abrams.
Theyve got the best light. And now a premium one, best cas and average spaa.
Why does this tree constantly keep getting attention while trees like japan are empty wt top tier

[jspene]

I love the term “bias apologists” as if Gaijin is going around executing non-Russia mains and we are here gaslighting them into thinking it isn’t happening…

[Selasco]

ill not touch US until gaijin find a way to fix it, but US players really dont help the situation:

Spoiler

[БЕИ]

@Selasco

ill not touch US until gaijin find a way to fix it, but US players really dont help the situation:

I whole heartedly agree with him, also move the M1 Abrams down to 10.0 and give it M900.

[An_Pigeon]

It makes absolutely no sense.

[An_Pigeon]

M829A2 and 9.3 br sounds right

[Panther2995]

@Selasco

but US players really dont help the situation:

It is a wrong bet to generalize Us players.

Most of them are just bunch of newbies who bought high tier premium tanks with zero experience, actual US players are actually good and performs more then enough.

[БЕИ]

@An_Pigeon

M829A2 and 9.3 br sounds right

Good idea, I’ve heard penetration isn’t everything, Sabra only .3 br higher has ammunition of that caliber and M60 AMBT both doesn’t have turret ring weak spot, at least they can’t be easily penned by some autocannon right? right? :)))))

[Selasco]

yea, but that kind of take obfuscate the real conversation that you, me and bunch of others are trying/tried to fix US ground