How many does the Sea Harrier FA.2 have lol, just out of curiosity.
The solution to that I think would be nations that were against each-other historically.
Fulcrum does need a buff however I don’t think its performance is still going to be all that great in comparison to something as made up as the F-16 or F-2.
More realistic flight models and comparable aircraft capabilities might help this situation.
Well for most modern planes that’s simply not going to be a reality.
So it’s going to be made up flight models vs somewhat founded in reality flight models
Only for like super new jets we have data for things like the F-16
There are 300 games in the FA-2. However there are also around 3000 games in the AV-8B+ in the same timeframe.
How is this any different than placing NATO on one side and Warsaw pact on the other? Japan / USA / Germany / France / Britain / Italy vs USSR/China. Maybe you can make argument for Sweden as neutral and capable of going either way.
There is nothing about the flight model that will be buffed anytime soon. The plane is modeled based on CL diagrams found in the Soviet manual and other performance metrics. It falls short in some ways but not in any way that can be readily demonstrated in the game to an extent the developers would make a change.
The F-16 flight model also isn’t made up in any extent that’s greater than other planes. In fact it’s arguably more accurate than some of the other 4th Gen flight models out there like the Mirage 2000. F-2A in game is just modeled on F-16 but with lower wing loading…good luck trying to get it nerfed.
The Su-27 is now in similar situation to other flight models in a sense…guess what? Anytime someone suggested moving it to 13.0 to give Russia a decent 13.0 plane, it has been met.with extremely stiff opposition on the part of NATO players. This was prior to the massive flight model buff it received in recent patch.
Basically the game mode is permanently frozen to be bastions of one sided matches at every bracket until it cannibalizes itself out of existence.
Which I don’t get.
It’s already 13.0 in arb, why leave it to rot in sim. I’d bet its mostly down to those players advocating to not go down do not have the plane and somehow get killed by it at 13.3 (even though it’s super easy to counter any fox 1s with fox 3s unless it’s an sm2)
Let my unstable plane stall fight at 40 degrees AOA lol. While being limited to 25 degrees irl.
Yet it also pulls more G at X airspeed at the irl AOA limit than should be possible. It makes too much lift.
Then it also overperforms in STR.
That’s hilarious I might be one of the only people to use it
99 percent of people wouldn’t torture themselves with the abysmal dogwater that is the fa2 unless you’re a masochist or harrier fan lol
Haha guilty as charged.
If gaijin fixed it, it would be so fun. You could actually swat the F-2 post merge.
The sea harrier would be a plane you do not want to merge with.
Do you bring guns or the AMRAAMs?
Eurofighter has real life limit of 24 degrees AoA in its service configuration. Guess what it can do in game? Just a smidge over 50 degrees. Also come with goofy cobra button because IRL plane has manual pitch override.
AMK equipped Typhoon s in-game might be modeled to have 75+ degrees of available AoA.
Gripen IRL has limit of around 26 degrees…solidly 30+ in game.
Mirage 2000 has 29 AoA limit…once again over 40 degrees in game.
The G loading in game is not even take in regards to the correct reference…
It splits the difference between two publicly available EM diagrams and the one you commonly cite is for F-16s equipped with older variation of the engine from before FADEC implementation.
Mirage 2000 flight model is even more erroneous than F-16 flight model and has much better effective turn rates across the board due to vastly overperforming energy retention, and overperforms at low speeds to moderate amounts and extreme amounts at high speeds.
Yeah and the Lightning F.6 would also have similar turn performance to the F-16A right?
I go 4 amraam but if there are any good players I go 2 amraam 2 9M
You can get a lot of people post merge bc they don’t expect it.
Yeah, mostly cause whenever I/other people see “j39” on my rwr you’d expect a gripen and not a harrier with AMRAAMs
No?
Clearly you’ve not seen any of my publications about the harrier.
Gaijins own source claimed I was correct and its lift C was underperforming. Still “not a bug” though
That too fear factor.
100 knot 9M up the ass lol
Lightning sustains 8G at the Max F-16A sustains 9
At high speed this is, lower speeds the F-16 walks the lightning
Still has nothing to do with the harrier claim stinky feet
Still missing so much thrust and climb rate. Harrier still holds the record from 0-30,000 feet above the Yak-141 btw.
Have you seen how the freestyle climbs in game? Like a rocket ship? Yeah well the harrier should be faster than even that.
The Lightning in game overperforms in turn rate as well from what I have seen.
Is this also you?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1P3m1S3CJwrc
You made a whole big report regarding Su-27 turn performance because you confused the sustained turn rate chart for an instantaneous turn rate chart.
Ehh yeah yandex fed me bad translations that’s my own fault but I closed that report myself.
Still nothing to do with the harrier lol
