Is Top Tier Sim Finally Dead?


It’s still missing lift.
The dive recovery chart has conditions and airspeed that if should be able to pull 8G at.

The current planes lift coefficient peaks at around 1.5 around 32 degrees AoA. Manual shows it should reach around 1.5 a lot sooner. Also designers say max CL is around 2.0 or greater so it’s lift past the 24 AoA limit is also reduced.

This shows it’s fine.

Show I don’t think so

Can’t break even on SL anymore going for objectives so why bother? It used to be fun going for ground objectives and maybe getting into a couple dogfights but now it seems the only way to break even is to have the best equipment and hunt. If I wanted that I would play ARB.

I just watched a replay and my glide bombs don’t even hit the air base? They just disappear.

I normally go for ground battles and take out the tanks, then go for a cap point for some dogfighting. If nothing else is up, I bomb an airfield. Ground battles seem to be bugged and sometimes just never spawn.

Gaijin this isn’t hard. I know you can just put out another premium and run a sale for it a few months later, but why not try to make the gameplay more compelling so more people want to play?

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This isn’t possible.

basically air rb ec.
Gaijin ain’t wanna do allat

No no no. Remove Air Arcade for 8.0 and above because ARB above 8.0 is basically arcade. Rename ARB for 8.0+ to Air Arcade. Then, make a copy of Air Sim, name it ARB, and give it ARB controls and a shorter timer but with no names above people’s heads and dumb arcadey nonsense that’s in ARB today. I would play the heck out of that.

And then go fix all the problems with Air Sim because it’s just broken today.

How does it show that it’s fine? Do you even know what you are looking at?

Literally just use CL/CD feature on Statshark.

It’s pretty close. It only needs a slight increase.

It’s not going to make a world of difference.

If you take sim and remove sim controls you are left with realistic battles, not sim

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So going from 1.9 available G to 2.5+ is insignificant in your eyes? A roughly 25 percent increase in available lift at low speeds is insignificant?

The plane is modeled with a maximum lift coefficient that is likely only 75 percent of what the designers say it attains.

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The whole entire flight model is deeply flawed.

Food for thought regarding the sub top tier that is just teen series fighter spam.

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no truer words have ever been spoken. Surprised no one in there was tryna argue against it, quite nice to see for a change

I just noticed the premium su30 is at the same br as base su27 for sim

Wild.

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The Chinese Flanker that has ARH and MAWS is the same BR iirc.

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tbf at least that thing still has spo-15, so it’s kinda fair, trading some situational awareness for the ability to know exactly where and when any kind of missiles are fired at you.
Though I still think all of the fox 3 flankers should be at 13.7 anyways

That’s why you keep sim and fix it. But I do like the idea of a shorter Air Sim battle with ARB controls and no names over people’s heads.

What source is this from.

Article written by Sukhoi engineers iirc. I also have RU source stating Su-30 max CL is around 2.4.