What I’m trying to ask is basically if there’s another more armored mbt that the USA can receive that isn’t an Abrams? Anything from prototype’s or paper tanks.
Basically a test to see if the usa’s win rate would go up if they could survive a shot to the front of their tank. (Mainly by having a smaller weak spot for people to shoot)
I dont think the Abrams is the problem. It has better survivability than a lot of nations, but the US still has worse win rates.
I kinda agree, but having the entire hull be a weak spot sucks. Specifically in close quarter’s.
If there was a tank that was better for that then it would help right?
Noope, test bed for 140mm cannon, will have some proper killing power
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Lmao dude
No profanities please.
Perhaps, but I dont think its ultimately an MBT issue, the Abrams weakspots are smaller than a lot of nations like the CR2 and Ariete.
I think other tree improvements like a new top tier SPAA will help a lot more. But ultimately America is a victim of its IRL size. Gaijin add a constant stream of new content to the US (and USSR) and as such, both nations are the most popular. Many of the minor nations which seem to have far better winrates despite worse tanks, weed out those not up to the challenge of using them when grinding the tree. So the US simply has more bad players at top tier than most nations do.
TLDR. Blame the clickbait specifically and not necessarily Abrams in general. (not too say the Abrams is perfectly modeled, its not, only the T-Series tanks are)
The problem is US players are trained from early BR’s that they can spawn in undertiered planes that have insane bomb loads, and then after dropping are great fighters, so they do the same thing in higher tiers were SPAA is actually able to deal with CAS because radars make a world of difference.
Instead of just playing ground and playing objectives, they still spawn planes, but just hide from SPAA and go camp enemy air spawn. Not once have I ever spawned in an su27 in GRB and not been immediately RWR pinged by an F16, not ONCE. They just sit in planes the second they can get into one, go play as safe as possible, and their team loses numbers advantage on the ground and they lose caps and then ticket bleed kicks in.
Proof: It came to me in a dream
In fairness of that tactic though, there is nothing the ADATS will realistically do against any top tier CAS these days. I know as a Britian main, id have greater success in the FA2 than the ADATS any day of the week. F-16C being an excellent multirole makes it even more valuable
You can’t have worse armor than top tier Arietes, basically the whole tank is a weakspot which is quite comedic for something that’s not a light vehicle.
Yep, and CR3TD is not far behind it. CR2 is overall better, but still has a gaping chasm in its armour that takes more skill to not hit in my experience.
So yeah, Italy, Britain, China, Israel. All do “fine” excepts its only the Abrams that have bad win rates. So I think there is more going on than just a “bad” MBT for America
Well for starters they could improve the Abrams’ armor
Abram’s is definitely a problem especially for low skill players that just get a premium or squadron vehicle. It’s basically point and shoot. It’s definitely mobile with great gun handling but it needs much better protection on the turret face at least.
It’s most likely that Abrams suffers from being a part of a major nation. I would love to see what would happen if Arietes or CR2 get transferred to US/GER/USSR, bet their stats would be much worse than Abrams’.
Most of minor nations’ suffering vehicles go under the radar since average skill level should be much higher than in major nations.
K2 Black Panther, perhaps? I’m not sure what Gaijin’s stance is exactly on how South Korean vehicles can be implemented to War Thunder without stirring drama.
Yep, Smin basically confirmed the other day that even like for like vehicles can end up at different BRs solely based upon player stats and thats why the Premium Tornado WTD61 is at 11.3 but the TT versions, especially the British Tornado Gr1, are at 11.7.
Though that is one sure fire way to get them fixed. Leave the US with the Ariete, CR2, etc for a week or 2
K2 through a S. Korean subtree is the only top tier MBT that could be added that isn’t some variant of the Abrams. The only problem with it, and a S. Korean subtree in general, is that it would require Gaijin to rework how subtrees work unless they make it a premium tree like India is in Britain. And it isn’t as though it would stir up a meaningful amount of drama either, only people I can think of that would dislike it would be advocates for a S. Korea or United Korea tech tree and Japanese mains who blindly cling on to a S. Korean subtree for Japan despite it making no sense in any regard. The US and S. Korea have very extensive political and military ties, the K1, in example, being a derivative of the Abrams, and besides the BMPs and T-80s Russia paid them, I can’t think of any S. Korean vehicle that isn’t either indigenous or purchased from the US.
Though the Brazilian army is apparently refurbishing the Osorios, so, assuming they upgrade the tanks enough, the US could theoretically get those through a subtree, but the ties are nowhere near as good as S. Korea, and you could probably make a compelling case for Germany to get them.
It really doesn’t. One shot anywhere and your engine is gone, your breach is gone, and your turret ring is, you guessed it, most likely gone. Your crew might survive for a few hits more than other nations but the vehicle rarely can move or return fire.
And how is this different from the Ariete or Challenger?
My personal experience is that teh Abrams overall has smaller weakspots and better suriviability when a weakspot is hit
The Italians have leopards. I’ll grant you that the Challenger is worse, but it most certainly is not more survivable than a lot of nations…