so you have no proof that the calims arent credible
great argument
most of the time its not the russians overstating their shit but simply the US overestimating it
great example is the Mig-25, did the USSR say it is a highly manouverable fighter?
no
did the US think it was and made panic cause of it?
yes
It wasn’t even like before that era that USSR was specifically greatest at building quality, we had already seen their performance of airframes and tanks before hand in ww2. Other nations were also combating and trying to prove theirs. The only point or source of all of this is propaganda fed for several years even after the collapse, perceive them as a threat, but act surprised when they arent.
People act like within or during last the century they had full communication with the other side’s propaganda or understanding of anything. Whilst in reality nothing but fed information from newspapers radios and tvs.
Only in this century can we get a further understanding on many aspects through further fast paced media that can be reached anywhere and youre own research is far more possible without any bias
Ofc i have no proof but why on earth would anyone sane believe anything coming from the russian govenment or military?
Oh please overhyping capabilities is/was a standard in russian/ussr propaganda
the media did, because thats what the media does. The mig25 had very little impact on the already ongoing development of the F15 but ofc that makes for a way less interesting story.
it is not a standard to russian propaganda it is standard to every propaganda no matter the country
something something Tiger 1 is indestructible
just find a single example of russia doing that, should be easy, right?
they are constatntly lying like you said, right?
Has no proof.
Continues to talk about it. Interesting 🤔
Great example now lets try to find out what the country telling this lie had in common with russia and then we get our answer why these countries lie
Just general lies or equipment specific? Because for general lies theres a plethora of probably off topic stuff
this is about them overstating their equipment
How about any supposed “unstoppable” missile like 3M22 which are surprisingly very interceptable in reality. Or “revolutionary next gen” battle tanks that are very much neither revolutionary nor very effective. Anti Air systems that supposedly have no problems with stealth aircraft and boast extreme range. Russian state owned media claiming that the " Su-57 Edges Out F-35 to Emerge Sentinel of Skies" and “Russia’s cutting-edge Su-57 fighter has taken the lead in aerospace technology, and is set for accelerated deployment. This sets the stage for a clash of titans, pitting the Su-57’s unparalleled agility against the F-35’s capabilities, and highlights the Russian aircraft’s combat prowess during its deployment in (REDACTED)”
Its the same MO every single time. Promise the next gen of super weapons in massive quantities and then somehow they end up barely produced and when non-russian experts analyse it it turns out that the supposed technological superiority is a fluke as well
and where is there any specific overstatment besides it being clickbaite news article headlines?
that is true the Su-57 is more agile than the f35
which is also true, the Su-57 has seen active combat use
iam asking for overstating equipment like:
this 3BM42 has 9999999mm of pen at 5km
or Su-57 is invisible to radar
not muh news articles
you notice how they didnt say anything specific?
Both “unstoppable” and revolutionary next gen" are. “Sentinel of the skies edging out” very much is so is "lead in aerospace technology and “accelerated deployment”.
Some dude is constantly posting a data sheet like that with Relikt protection values from a russian research institute.
its a country with controlled media “duh news article” doesnt exists in that context
Duh obviously no military boasts definite values if they can avoid it.
you say russia is overstating their capebilities
but you failed finding anything that they are doing specifically and other countries dont
so you want to really go down that route?
At this point if people still take Russian claims at face value it’s just plain delusion, they literally crap out a new superweapon every few years.
Poseidon, Iskandar, zircon, kinzhal, oreshnik, burevestnik. All of this whilst their most effective conventional weapon systems have been glide bombs, artillery and mines.
its why I avoid threads like this like the plague generally. You can’t discuss Russian weapons without pointing out the fact that they’re not a trustworthy source in many cases.
Dude its above i dont know what else to tell you and the rest is easy to google if you look at any piece of russian propaganda like the memed to death T14 documentary
Please were not doing the “akshually Russia is just the same as the west and totally not a media controlling autocracy” bit, are we?
you say that russia/ USSR is constantly overstaating their stuff but you didnt present a single thing where they are actually talking about its capebilities and not do the generic marketing speech
Yeah because these claims are not by the private companies producing them like your examples but by state media and government officials.
Find me a video of nasams or iris t missing a drone.
russian equipment soooo bad
When people talk about overstated capability they’re not referring to marketing buzzwords like game changer and force multiplier lmao. You are never going to see Saab or swedish officials yap about how much better and invulnerable to air defense their anti ship missiles are or about how invulnerable the gripen e is.
Oh and by the way you aren’t going to hear anyone claim their ICBMs is capable to cause tsunamis or about their tank is able to shoot down incoming missiles with a 50cal on the roof all whilst also having armor capable of stopping the most modern apfsds shells, aps capable of shooting down said shells, soft kill systems capable of jamming incoming missiles and a shell capable of penetrating 1 meter of Rha. All of this whilst having no production line and a few dozen tanks built with visible external differences.
Well was it wrong at the point when the F22 was put into service?
