I like following these threads to hear the people talk about newest capabilities and understand them better than I do, and everything I hear and read across YouTube and forums and here talks about just how insane the F35 sensor suite is.
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The F-117, B-2, and B-21 aren’t 5th generation aircraft.
The YF-23 hasn’t been flying for a long time at all, with the B-21 being an obvious exception that you did note.
How so? Its modernization package included a better engine set that brought it up from 5- gen to 5th gen, with included avionics refinement and domestication.
A while ago being 2020, sure. It was quite delayed, and I had initially expected it to be in production around 2017-2018.
Su-57M started production in early 2024, with the very last Su-57 delivery being in December of 2023. Every Su-57 delivery since then has been of 57M, with a new contract ordering approximately 6 dozen (can’t remember exactly how many, give or take 6 or so).
It has been used? Hell, quite extensively… It’s more than capable of sensor handoff, being involved in 2 air to air kills, as well as air to ground strike missions.
There are about 32/33 of Su-57[M], a bit unsure of which due to the contested existence of one of their airframes.
How so? The H-PESA radars in-use are more than capable of “modern” performance, even far exceeding most operating limits that most MSAs and even AESAs currently have. Even our APG-83s and APG-81s still sit at a 120dg azimuth… The N035 found in 4++s already have 240dg azimuth.
MiG-35 is dead, long live MiG-29.
Oh boy, don’t flay the stealth aircraft. That defeats their entire purpose!
MiG 1.44, February 29th of 2000. Flew 3 years after the F-22A, with the preceding 1.42 flying in the same year as the F-22.
408 F-35s.
What model of the F-35 entered service in 2011??
Russia isn’t? Russia has made no attempt whatsoever to have long-range strategic bombers. Almost all of their total force revolves around fast long-range strike aircraft capable of carrying up to half a dozen munitions and ditching the second they’re fired. To have a large bulky B-2-esque target is laughable in the modern era.
This is why I think APG-85 will have GaN and some method of increasing azimuth as part of its improvement over the 81.
Also, if we’re going to prototypes, the 1.44 and 1.42 are both newer than the YF-22 and 23, and they’re not even really stealth to boot, I don’t think they even have S-duct
SABR-size when?
1.44 is, 1.42 isn’t. The 1.42 primarily served as an avionics demonstrator, while the 1.44 dealt with technology and VLO design.
S-ducts aren’t needed for a stealth aircraft? One of the most important factors of it are IFM visibility from the intake face.
If any part of turbine is visible it has a big effect on RCS, it’s pretty important to have S-duct
Which is… Exactly what I said.
Read.
My bad, though you meant something else by ifm visibility, I googled it and didn’t get a clear result.
The 1.44 not having an S-duct effectively disqualifies as true stealth, maybe LO but not much more than that
With the canards also making RCS worse, and I know it doesn’t mean all that much but it doesn’t share much in looks with other known stealth aircraft.
Inlet fan visibility.
Again, S-ducts aren’t needed for stealth… At all. It’s purely a product of 1 very specific intake layout.
Dihedral canards? Its cant was made for this exact purpose.
The J-20 was founded on the MFI program… It’s quite literally the basis of a VERY well known stealth aircraft.
Ah fair enough. Wonder how the 1.44 holds up against the YF-22 and 23 though as both are prototypes
It would be nicer if more information was out on it
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This is complete nonsense. Russian fighters equipped with R-37M missiles are incapable of intercepting outdated Su-24 bombers carrying Storm Shadow cruise missiles, which are forced to approach the very line of combat engagement. This happens despite complete air superiority and no opposition from enemy fighters. What are the chances that they would manage to break through to AWACS planes against the resistance of modern 4.5 and 5th generation fighters? Moreover, recent events demonstrate that in such a hypothetical conflict, most of the Russian air force would be destroyed on the ground.
The presence of nuclear weapons in Russia, of course, is the key factor. Without it, Western countries would have easily ended this conflict.
Lol. The Russians had a spy in the European defense industry who leaked them data first on the Tornado and later on the Eurofighter. Apparently, the Russians thought the Eurofighter was a next-generation aircraft, which is probably why they came up with their MiG 1.44. Of course, that thing had nothing to do with the 5th generation and could never compete with the Raptor.
By the way, a funny fact: until the mid-2000s, Russian developers from the Sukhoi Design Bureau literally didn’t believe in stealth.
Hahaha. Well, in that case, Russian aircraft should get rid of their radars, since RWR can pinpoint the aircraft’s location precisely.
Yeah, and it has an S-duct and plenty of other technical solutions from American 5th-generation aircraft, none of which were present on the 1.44. Apparently, the Chinese don’t understand stealth at all — go ahead and enlighten them.
Because… And hear me out here…
This
Is incapable of incorporating S-ducts…
While this
Is.
Do you really need this spelt out to you this bluntly? I never took you for a person of this caliber, but I’m starting to rethink it.
What?
that is an S duct but not a great one
“not a great one” is the air intake of the Su-57. And this is quite an S-duct. Which is impossible, according to the air intake expert earlier in the thread.
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A lot of US aircraft were designed to beat Soviet aircraft since we thought at the time they were far ahead of us.
Case examples: MIG-25. When we captured it thanks to Viktor Belenko. We found out this aircraft we thought was still superior to what we were developing and had was a piece of junk.
Nowadays we build our aircraft to surpass our aircraft. Hence next aircraft is to surpass the F-22 and F-35s eventually.
When it comes to the Su-57, there is a lot of footage of them up close and we know it has screws. So in terms of Stealth those screws would make it more stealthy than an F-86 but nowhere near an F-111, F-117, B-2 nor the B-21.
the f-22 has screws too. they are just a bit harder to see.
This thread is really pointless. Bunch of people either fanboys of f-22 or su-57 theorizing how one would win the other. Pointless. Just wait for these aircraft to come in war thunder and fight it out then.
If everything goes well in the world, there won’t be any f-22 engaging su-57 during their operational lifetimes.
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