You mean the F-22 that flew missions in the middle east against ISIS?
Had no idea they bombed their own allies with it
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? US has been fighting there against ISIS for a while now, never was allied with ISIS afiak
Guys, just saying, this IS going political, drop it before annoyed mod shows up and purge the thread (which isnt a bad thing tbh, but lets not do this)
Well to not get into that ordeal, I’m sure a p-51 would be more effective against isis than any other jet. It’s not like they have advanced AA
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They had man pads…
That’s the best thing in their arsenal and it’s probably extremely scarce. Facing manpads is one thing but they can only do as much. Can be seen in game around 10.0 BR against high alt laser GBU slingers
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The F-22 has no more combat experience than the Su-57, with both being reserved to low-intensity conflict. Whether it’s the Su-57 guiding missiles and launching AGMs from outside borders to the F-22 dropping bombs on irregular insurgents, both haven’t seen any level of combat that the F-35 has seen.
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Certain aspects of stealth designs will still be at play at MANPAD ranges, though. Yeah, some design aspects of stealth aircraft won’t work at such close ranges, but not all of them.
Good thing he wasn’t hit by one of those over-the-horizon MANPADS with ranges of upwards of 10km slant / 7km vertical.
Such as what? Little to no features of a VLO aircraft will have any effect on dual band / IIR missiles
What?
Trve, so, so, SO trve,
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The cooling of exhausts to (mostly) normal atmospheric wavelengths, RAM coatings (depends on their effectiveness), general aircraft shape (for reflecting radar waves away from the radar), and while not seen just in stealth aircraft, electronic warfare equipment.
Which has no effect on IIR seekers that can detect the heat caused by friction of airflow and track targets based on shape.
Would have little to no effect on temperature, unless it acts as insulation. Still wouldn’t make a difference to any system beyond the late '90s.
Radar MANPADS when?
DIRCM is the only effective system I can think of in this respect, in which it works to varying degrees but is not a foolproof solution.
The sensitivity of those seekers versus a stealth aircraft is debatable.
It would effect MANPADs with radar seekers, or MANPADs with datalink?
How so?
No MANPADS have a radar seeker, with the only arguable “radar” systems being MANPADS attached to vehicles that utilized LOSBR or SACLOS control methods and radar detection, not tracking.
To reiterate in simpler terms, there are no radar guided MANPADS. Radar VLO features are irrelevant.
MANPADS with datalink do not use radar guidance, nor would any stealth feature affect them. They’re simply relayed information from an IRST host.
As in whether the MANPAD’s seekers can actually target a stealth aircraft.
The FIM-92K (vehicle datalink) exists, and non-MANPAD missiles (that only have MANPAD range, or are used at MANPAD ranges) do have radars and/or datalink capabilities.
Separately, I forgot to mention methods to reduce optical seeker effectiveness.
Again, how so?
What specifically makes the efficacy of locking a stealth aircraft with the likes of an IIR seeker “debatable”? All you’ve listed are radar-reductive measures, which are entirely irrelevant to the conversation.
The FIM-92K is a system that utilizes a dual-band seeker and datalink for IR feedback. Datalink =/= radar, radar reduction measures =/= untrackable by IR MANPADS.
Such as what? Name me one mechanized unit that doesn’t make use of a myriad of MANPADS systems or Strelas. Almost all frontline anti-air is via shoulder-launched IR missiles and IIR systems.
Which is why I’ve asked you 3 times to list such. You still haven’t done so…
As in whether MANPADs can do target a stealth aircraft even if it can’t target its exhaust.
That’s my bad on assuming the datalink must be from a radar, but I believe the LAV-AD would be able to get information from aircraft (or datalink-capable SPAA radars maybe?) and then send that information to the Stinger.
Not all, and in terms of short range air defense, the AGM-114L has a radar seeker.
Utilizing disruptive paints/coatings, mainly: both traditional camouflage and dazzle camouflage, or coatings with different reflectivity. The last one is a personal addition/hypothetical (since I’ve not heard of any plane officially using such a system), but I bet there’s a method of shaping or coating an aircraft so that it’s more prone to generate superior/inferior mirages.