You already know he won’t do that. His ego couldn’t handle it lmao.
That’s T-50-4?
They definitely aren’t.
What about its intake ducts? You don’t like the way they look, therefore bad?
Because regardless of it being a 3rd gen or an F-35, MANPADS will kill.
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Yes, the problem here is more that some idiot thought it was a good idea to send an expensive plane to bomb using unguided bombs against air defenses that hadn’t been suppressed.
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The MANPADS would need to be able to see, lock, and reach the F-35, though.
The aircraft are suppressing the air defenses, that’s the point of using Su-25s and Su-34s with high explosive ordnance… To deal with infantry.
In which it would do no worse than if it were attacking any other aircraft?
Whether or not it’s an Su-25 or an Su-57M, Iglas and Pioruns are only limited by their maneuverability. Sending an “undetectable” (he obviously has no clue what VLO design is meant for) stealth aircraft will have no sway in its losses.
How does aviation suppress air defenses—with free-fall bombs? Apparently, that’s what Russian generals thought.
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What else would you use against small mobile groups of foot soldiers?
Lasers?
First and foremost, reconnaissance, lol. Second, guided munitions. You know, those things that let you avoid entering the range of Stingers.
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Which is present?
The use of 5th gen aircraft as opposed to 4th gen attackers doesn’t affect this.
Which… Are being used…
Do you have any clue what you’re talking about?
Using a KAB doesn’t put you at any less risk of being launch on by MANPADS than an unguided bomb, but sing a GNS guided ODAB gives little risk for high reward… That reward being a brigade of dead mean in a 1km wide area.
Yes, yes, tell me more. First of all, guided weapons allow you to hit targets without entering the air defense radius (it feels strange to explain this to War Thunder players). Secondly, the main losses in aviation happened literally in the first three months of the conflict, because for some reason they forgot to suppress the enemy’s air defenses. After that, the world saw a completely new way of using aviation — firing unguided rockets from a lofted position, just somewhere in the general direction of the enemy. The effectiveness of such tactics even made the most ardent fans of the Russian Aerospace Forces skeptical.
And yes, a 5th-generation stealth aircraft could indeed be very effective in suppressing air defenses. It seems, though, that the Su-57 just doesn’t fall into that category.
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As I’ve said, guided weapons have been and are still being used.
Those losses were aircraft in the act of destroying air defenses. 19 strike aircraft were lost while conducting ground strikes, a little under 1/3 of which were fighting troops of the 93rd and destroyed 3 Strelas and caused over 3k casualties.
If that isn’t suppression, I don’t know what is.
By all means though, explain to me how mobile infantry should be “suppressed” without any loss whatsoever.
That isn’t at all a new tactic? It’s been used commonly since the late '90s and is highly effective for both sides of the war.
This is quite literally the most effective suppression tactic to be used by any platform.
Skeptical of what? Ukraine had been doing interdiction strikes in this exact manner since early March of '22, it isn’t at all a bad tactic.
Then why argue that it should be used for such missions?
Ask the Yugoslavs, lol.
Frankly, there’s no point in continuing any conversation with you after this.
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Yes sorry to dash peoples thoughts that Russia had a stealth aircraft it’s even to the point that China called it trash
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His infinite amount of cope
It takes a lot of cope to somehow explain to yourself why, after using ‘literally the most effective suppression tactic,’ they still have to advance in frontal assaults in columns without any support, suffering devastating losses in armored vehicles and personnel.
By the way, has anyone wondered how in other local conflicts they managed to do without these fun rides in mobile sheds?
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The fact that you have to spend your life away seething about it means it’s going just fine. I hope you’re getting paid for it at least, otherwise it’s just pathetic
Are the Yugoslavs in the room with us right now?
I could also ask Thomas Wilson, who spoke on the crude weaponry the Serbs had been using in Kosovo and the Strela’s ineffectiveness on coalition aircraft.
Hell, even Hammer-34 was taken down by an S-125, not a MANPAD platform.
We love non-answers borne of somebody without a response.