Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22?

ESPECIALLY ignores the ultra classified RAM’s on the US stealth machines

Needed to pull sick maneuvres at airshows

Yeah but not entire machine is covered in the RAM

Exactly! We just don’t know. It’s ok to not know. We can make educated guesses as mental exercises and try to figure out how they’d work in game, but anything beyond that is pointless.

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You nor I know the extent to which any stealth jets are covered by RAM. I argue that atleast 90% of either F35 or F22 are covered by RAM. Everything except the canopy, and the exhausts.

The canopies however have ITO to help with stealth. I dont know if Russia or China employ ITO. I assume they do

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I can’t remember where I read but there was a document that said that the RAM was mostly used on the wing edges and intake and Im just saing basically at the points that you know the radar can bounce off

In the real world the F 22 would crush the Su 57 in every aspect imaginable when it comes to air to air

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Hell yes! I’ve seen the Raptor twice and saw the Terminator back in 1998, so I’m all about that surface area.

ok all of the information I say is what I heard and what sounds plausible I’m not some kind of arbiter of knowledge I’m just a f****** tank nerd

RAM is needed everywhere you can place it to improve stealth. Its on wingtips, inlets, the radome and everything else too to improve front aspect stealth. But you need it everywhere else too to maintain side, bottom, top and stern aspect stealth.

I think so anyway

If we ever get the Felon in game I want to put Iranian Yasser’s on it for ultra memeshots

Nah Su-57 would lose against F-14A or F-18E :trollface:

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So why are Typhoons currently in the process of being upgraded with them

British Typhoons are yet to receive them and we are talking about the present day, not the future nor the past.

Everything I know is that meteor is equal or maybe even superior to the R-37M

Range wise hell no but intelligence wise it’s superior without a doubt, you’ll still end up eating a R-37M outside the engagement range for the Meteor.

Have the Su-57s even entered service yet?

Last I heard there was about a dozen of them, but there wasnt really any pilots to actually fly any of them. Which is one of the major reasons why the Su-57 hasnt been sent anywhere near a certain neighbouring country

Pretty much the average state that the F-22s are in rn.

@MiG_23M Did the budget cuts hurt the maint on them?

Last I heard there was about a dozen of them

I quite literally made fun of that, Russian production of modern vehicles have been absolute cheeks but I’m mainly referring to in-service Typhoons against in-service SU-57s.

In a actual war there wouldn’t be enough SU-57s to counter Typhoons in general but we aren’t talking about that and I’d lean on the side of the Typhoons in that scenario.

On a individual level however the SU-57 is superior factually speaking

Yeah I just checked there is a 22 that are confirmed to be delivered not including prototypes

Vs 195 Raptors (and 1000+ F35s)

I could be wrong, but I think i’ve heard somewhere that they have some maintenance issues and about half of them are usually out-of-service at any given moment in time. I think that is the “dozen” figure i’ve heard previously is from.

I haven’t heard the same but that’s completely possible