Its not that, its motor burns for 5 seconds longer which means it has more energy at long range. But accelerates slower off the rails than due to the increased mass and so may have worse TTT than Aim-120A/B at shorter ranges.
IRL, the C5 also had 40G pull vs the 35G pull of the Aim-120A/B but this is likely to not be modeled due it being from dual-plane which isnt modeled in game and also apparently had 0 guidance delay, but satisfactory sources to bug report this have yet to be found (it currently has the same 0.6 second delay of the A/B). C5 should have been better in WVR and helped immensely within the closer range performance where R-77-1 and MICA EM dominate.
Yes. AMRAAM isnt actually all that good anymore. Now people have learnt how to defend and everyone has adequate RWRs at top tier, it is extremely easy to defeat an AMRAAM at the ranges in which it holds an advantage. At shorter ranges its one of the weaker ARH missiles and is absolutely destroyed by both R-77-1 and esepcailly the MICA EM, which is getting a massive buff this major update (the rafale can sit in notch and fire at targets 90° off-boresight. Its gunna be broken.)
Aim-120C5 as I said earlier, should have helped in the WVR theatre where the AMRAAM is so much weaker than most, but that isnt being modeled. It is especially hard-felt because Aim-9M is also the weakest of the IR missile for short range dogfighting.
My low-smoke motor report was accepted for the A/B since it’s introduction. When the C-5 came out, I’ve made a bug report for that too. It got accepted, as well as the AIM-9X one (that actually got implemented improving the lethality of the current 9X but will mostly be negated by the fact that you can’t fire it without the search radar) but the AIM-120s can’t get that for some reason
yes, it is very much needed especially on the worse preforming airframes like f18C and maybe f15e to compensate for their poor energy, and poor nose authority respectively
Wouldnt say its not good, It certainly has some good competition now but its far from the worst and does the job quite well. Not to mention that for as long as ARH missiles were a thing is this game its been the best one up until the long awaited MICA buffs and the 77-1 rolled up.
Sure, cant deny that because Ive noticed it too. People adapt to the meta but that still applies to every missile not just the AIM120s.
True again, can’t say the 77-1 or MICA arent hard to deal with but it was obvious that the AIM120 was not gonna hold the position of best missile forever. I know we all want balance but I guess you cant make everyone happy at the same time.
What really carries the AIM120 and makes it relevant today in my opinion is the platforms that carry it, as long as you can climb into space with your F15 or have the turn time and performance of the EF youll get something out of it.
not really, it might have decent performance at long ranges, but most shots are taken at much shorter ranges where the aim 120 is by far the worst top tier ARH
it was only the best for like a week or two until its fin AOA and guidance delay were nerfed, after that point it was mediocre at best and getting comparatively worse as people learned to defend from long range shots
Its not bad, I just dont think it excels any more. Its average at best. Certainly weaker than R-77-1 and MICA EM
Again. Was the best when people didnt understand how to defend, I use to be able to fire one off at long range and reliably get a kill. Now? I very rarely get a kill past 15-20km. I generally only fire if the target is in the LSZ
Exactly and MICA EMs exceptional Kinematic performance and stronger seeker or the R-77-1s very good TTT and the fact the SU-30SM carries a metric ton of them (and both carriers have massively superior radars to everyone else) leaves most ARH carriers in the dust.
Was never an expectation of “being the best” but rather parity. C5 had the potential to provide improved WVR performance for aircraft without much WVR performance in their missiles. That unfortunately hasnt been modeled.
That does depend on playstyle to be fair, I like keeping a bit of distance between the enemy and myself (unless im playing a rafale) but even at shorter ranges I dont really think youll be able to dodge or outpull an AIM120 by just pulling into one side or doing barrel rolls. Sure having high off boresight capabilities and lots of Gs on a missile is nice but not necessary in my opinion.
the issue is that not having HOBS capability means you need be closer to nose on to launch your missile, so in close range situations you are unable to launch and get into a notch anywhere near as fast
I agree overall and I guess this is just a classic shift in the meta where one or two nations are gonna be slightly better than other nations until the rest catches up again.
Yeah, and the annoying thing is. the C5 should have been that catch-up, but at the moment (as of the last dev server) just wasn’t. Which is where threads like this come from. Real shame. they missed an oppotunity.
Now I guess we’ll just need to wait for ASRAAM and co to close the gap.
To be fair the only jets that can abuse this are the rafale and m2k5f with the MICA (maybe su30 to some extent but not too close). But thats kinda the thing with war thunder at this point, cause even with all the BVR there are fights still happening within viusal range and once you step closer than 10km you know youre at a disadvantage against a MICA.
not really, even missiles like aam4 can hit shots near max gimble as close as 5-6km, where if you have aim 120 you would never be able to get your nose on, and then defend in the few seconds before their missile can hit
To be fair if I was to ever go against lets say a rafale with an F16 or 15 wouldn’t bother too much with missiles to begin with especially at closer ranges cause I know theyd be either notched or wouldnt pull in time. Id rather keep a more defensive posture and force a merge where youll probably have a higher chance of to kill him. Sometimes play mid jets on purpose and try to adapt the best i can.
Cause I know that being angry about something not being modeled right in game or underperforming isnt gonna solve anything unfortunately. We’ll just have to wait and hope for the best in the future.
your chances to kill them are a lot better if you force them to defend at close range where they will be unable to flare a follow up aim9m, so you need the missile performance to force them defensive early and keep them defensive, once it gets to a merge if they are at all competent you are screwed 100% of the time
Or that. See whatever you try the rafale can reliably counter it if played correctly. That I wont deny but I dont think a better AIM120 is gonna be fixing that imbalance. I think you have a better chance of getting something new that will outperform it than anythig.