At least in its current state judging from what ive seen in videos of the dev server and the useless statcards it seems to have anything the a and b variant have but worse, why give the f15e and f18s a missile thats just worse than its early varients, enlighten me fellas am i wrong what even are the good points of the c5 ?
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Yeah. It’s pretty pointless
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Atleast you guys are getting it gripen only having like 4 arh at max is not even getting it
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ultimate skill issue warning
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your not missing out on much tbh its a very minor increase.
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should perform better at longer ranges since it produces less drag which means it will be faster than a the A or B. That is only noticable in BVR tho (which kinda goes hand in hand with the F15Es and Eurofighters playstyle) and I guess it doesnt really make sense to take it over the A or B variant in most cases. But I don’t see why people would be upset by this its better to get anything than nothing if you ask me.
And one question I want to ask is: Is blufor really in need of a better ARH missile at this point?
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It will be much harder to defeat kinematically at longer ranges, but no harder to defeat with notch and chaff.
So its a small upgrade in that regard, but hopefully sources can be found to bug report it and get it up to full strength
Its not that, its motor burns for 5 seconds longer which means it has more energy at long range. But accelerates slower off the rails than due to the increased mass and so may have worse TTT than Aim-120A/B at shorter ranges.
IRL, the C5 also had 40G pull vs the 35G pull of the Aim-120A/B but this is likely to not be modeled due it being from dual-plane which isnt modeled in game and also apparently had 0 guidance delay, but satisfactory sources to bug report this have yet to be found (it currently has the same 0.6 second delay of the A/B). C5 should have been better in WVR and helped immensely within the closer range performance where R-77-1 and MICA EM dominate.
Yes. AMRAAM isnt actually all that good anymore. Now people have learnt how to defend and everyone has adequate RWRs at top tier, it is extremely easy to defeat an AMRAAM at the ranges in which it holds an advantage. At shorter ranges its one of the weaker ARH missiles and is absolutely destroyed by both R-77-1 and esepcailly the MICA EM, which is getting a massive buff this major update (the rafale can sit in notch and fire at targets 90° off-boresight. Its gunna be broken.)
Aim-120C5 as I said earlier, should have helped in the WVR theatre where the AMRAAM is so much weaker than most, but that isnt being modeled. It is especially hard-felt because Aim-9M is also the weakest of the IR missile for short range dogfighting.
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There are plenty of bug reports, accepted even that are just left to rot like the others
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Yeah, not surprised
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My low-smoke motor report was accepted for the A/B since it’s introduction. When the C-5 came out, I’ve made a bug report for that too. It got accepted, as well as the AIM-9X one (that actually got implemented improving the lethality of the current 9X but will mostly be negated by the fact that you can’t fire it without the search radar) but the AIM-120s can’t get that for some reason
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Yeah, its annoying.
yes, it is very much needed especially on the worse preforming airframes like f18C and maybe f15e to compensate for their poor energy, and poor nose authority respectively
Wouldnt say its not good, It certainly has some good competition now but its far from the worst and does the job quite well. Not to mention that for as long as ARH missiles were a thing is this game its been the best one up until the long awaited MICA buffs and the 77-1 rolled up.
Sure, cant deny that because Ive noticed it too. People adapt to the meta but that still applies to every missile not just the AIM120s.
True again, can’t say the 77-1 or MICA arent hard to deal with but it was obvious that the AIM120 was not gonna hold the position of best missile forever. I know we all want balance but I guess you cant make everyone happy at the same time.
What really carries the AIM120 and makes it relevant today in my opinion is the platforms that carry it, as long as you can climb into space with your F15 or have the turn time and performance of the EF youll get something out of it.
its only 5 seconds longer if you completely ignore the sustainer the total burn time is only .7 secs longer
not really, it might have decent performance at long ranges, but most shots are taken at much shorter ranges where the aim 120 is by far the worst top tier ARH
it was only the best for like a week or two until its fin AOA and guidance delay were nerfed, after that point it was mediocre at best and getting comparatively worse as people learned to defend from long range shots
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Its not bad, I just dont think it excels any more. Its average at best. Certainly weaker than R-77-1 and MICA EM
Again. Was the best when people didnt understand how to defend, I use to be able to fire one off at long range and reliably get a kill. Now? I very rarely get a kill past 15-20km. I generally only fire if the target is in the LSZ
Exactly and MICA EMs exceptional Kinematic performance and stronger seeker or the R-77-1s very good TTT and the fact the SU-30SM carries a metric ton of them (and both carriers have massively superior radars to everyone else) leaves most ARH carriers in the dust.
Was never an expectation of “being the best” but rather parity. C5 had the potential to provide improved WVR performance for aircraft without much WVR performance in their missiles. That unfortunately hasnt been modeled.
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That does depend on playstyle to be fair, I like keeping a bit of distance between the enemy and myself (unless im playing a rafale) but even at shorter ranges I dont really think youll be able to dodge or outpull an AIM120 by just pulling into one side or doing barrel rolls. Sure having high off boresight capabilities and lots of Gs on a missile is nice but not necessary in my opinion.
the issue is that not having HOBS capability means you need be closer to nose on to launch your missile, so in close range situations you are unable to launch and get into a notch anywhere near as fast
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I agree overall and I guess this is just a classic shift in the meta where one or two nations are gonna be slightly better than other nations until the rest catches up again.