You come in here with anecdotal evidence based on nothing that was mentioned in my post? American win rates are complete trash, the abrams is objectively terrible compared to the 2a7 and even to T80u/bvm. Its not the skill of the players thats the problem, if you actually read my post instead of just reacting after one line like a clown you would have pieced together that EQUAL skill players playing the abrams and leopard, the leopard player wins almost every time. The goal of a rebalance would be so that the times where EQUAL skill players go 1 to 1 ITS MORE EVEN. Instead of the america losing 60%+ of the games right now at top tier. It does not matter how good american cas is or that the adats is now an spaa, what matters is that 70% of your teams every game you play are america players in subpar tanks compared to the opposing team who are in leos or t80s.
All Abrams have spall liners, it’s integrated (see the above message about the acknowledged bug report).
Even with pixel-perfect aiming, it should be next to impossible to hit the turret ring:
The margin for error for hitting the turret ring (with a 125mm APFSDS penetrator) is a handful of millimeters at best.
Seems right. I’d say through the breach on the bottom would be the only real place to get the ring
The cannon is also aimed upwards a bit in this photo, too, so it’d be even harder to hit
Thank you
This had been debunked, multiple times…
Do I need to do this again.
Okay. T-64 and T-72 should get their “historical” “spall liners” as well
Oh look, here’s the graphic I was looking for…
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Your, clearly ignoring, like, half of the graphic of BEHIND the drivers periscope. Jesus Christ you literally need to know 1 simple thing to figure this out, it’s called A^2+B^2=C^2.
51mm is not 200mm. Stop trying to debunk facts, Zy, or get.
I don’t need yet another apopletic Russian main gaslighting in our threads and telling others to cope.
Ahh, yeah, gaslighting…
A Russian main…
(I have more vehicles in Germany and Sweden than Russia (ground ofc))
Let me explain something in a second when you reply to this.
This debunking: (Second time in nature)
So you have nothing to complain or vent about. Leave.
Or I can put you on perma-ignore, because you’re not that important to me.
Ahh, but I do, people who don’t understand simplicity of realism.
In a real battle, (the last of which was truly tank-tank combat was 73 Easting) just go ahead and try and hit a moving Abram’s tank turret ring, from 500 meters+ let alone a few kilometers, with tech from the late 70’s…
Go play Gunner HEAT PC if you want semi-more realism. Or go play ARMA. Makes no difference to me.
GHPC is simlite, ARMA is simulator, Steel Beasts is simulator full.
War Thunder is simcade.
If you want it to have more realism, you’d argue for model fixes and you’d argue for bigger maps and changes in missions. I don’t see you doing it. Leave.
Please don’t pay too much attention to anything SpeclistMain1 just said regarding the M1.
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A bug report being ‘acknowledged’ merely means it’s sent over to the developers for them to review. It doesn’t mean the contents in the report are true whatsoever.
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SpeclistMain1 is rather infamous on these forums for being a M1 stan, (s)he has consistently shown to twist the truth in favour for this particular vehicle.
The M1 Abrams has not been proven to have spall liners, that’s merely his unsubstantiated claims. The turret ring is also not modelled too large:
Spoiler
He’s cherry-picked a photo where the turret is pointed off to the side which skews the results.
That’s my point, you, literally just proved my point…
If you don’t want to die to a turret ring hit in your “invincible Abrams” then go play a full sim, where everyone has sight offset and excessive range.
Thanks for the help necrons, finally someone else who understands it.
False, the bug was acknowledged as being factual, and Necrons ignored me after he was proven wrong.
He doesn’t like being proven wrong on certain aspects in the game, because he considers himself ‘elite’.
Tank encyclopedia and overt defense are unreliable secondary sources. The book is also a secondary source and doesn’t provide any proof the Abrams have a spall liner.