Swedish armour trials give it just over 50% protection from 600mm ke at 15° angle
My win rate with the higher M1A2s is like 33%. My winrate with the Leo 2A6 is 60%.
I’ve played with a lot of teams, and I must say that, at least between the “big 3 nations,” all the players suck equally. The abrams is just too squishy.
do you have a source for this? I would like to read more about it
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One death leave, which isn’t even the majority of my losses, is a flaw of planning skill.
If you don’t plan your lineup correctly, that’s still a matter of skill.
Aligning premium purchases with squadron vehicle acquisition is simple knowledge anyone can apply to hone a necessary skill.
I’ve been advising people on lineup creation and tactics for over 6 years. I have constantly been part of the solution, for free.
Meanwhile you look down on those that help others? lol
Its really simple. The abrams is terrible and needs to be buffed, a long with all other non leopard/T-series tanks. Leclerc, merkava, chally, ztz, ect… They all NEED to be buffed, even to just COMPETE with leopards. Its insane to me that for literally 3 years america has had a sub 45% win rate at top tier while germany/russia are over 60% and nothing happens other than a pointless reload change. The simple truth is that this game is down to average player. The average america player in an abrams is much much less effective than a equally skilled player in a leopard. This is what causes the disparity, the tanks of america and other nations are just not good enough to compete full stop.
I would accept a leopard nerf, along the lines of the reload nerf they got a while back. Something needs to be done, I simply do not understand who these america players are who queue up to get utterly dunked on every single match over 60% of the time. It would be such a better game if the top tier win rates were closer to 50%, we could be so close to a parity with just simple buffs all tanks that arent leopards or T80/90.
Man, we’ll never hear the end of the leopard mains complaining that “the USA got my tanks nerfed” if that happens. They already constantly whinge and whine about their armor being ahistorical (but still best in the game).
The major problem with the US top tier is that it lacks any vehicles that can sustain damage and fight back. The abrams is great in terms of firepower and mobility, but its way too weak in terms of protection. The fact that the entire hull has got no resistance to even a L27 means that it can easily be crippled in a urban map. This, combined with the fact that USA is a large techtree with a lot of players, means that they do not have a good vehicle to relieve pressure in frontal confrontentation, thus, is cannot lead the main attack and assult better armored nations like RU and the Leo enjoyers. While some may argue that it has got enough armor on the turrent, allowing it great protection when hull down, this doesnt mean a lot, as most of the matches at top tier is still urban.
Overall, US players have less time to decide and aim carefully when surprised and are more easily crippled and destroyed.
Added with the great CAS ability of the F16C, which means that US players are less willing to stay on the ground and relieve enemy pressure. And the fact that the best AA is the panstir and ito, whcih has a high chance of killing F16s also disadvantages the US. Therefore, for USA players, the combination of a weak protection and less reward for staying on the ground means that they cannot fulfill the role of a large techtree, which is frontally facing the enemy attack and pushing the enemy controlled zones.
Generally, Abrams is a good tank, great mobility and firepower, but it is not a “big techtree tank” like the leos and the t80/90s. Therefore, one shouldnt compare it to tanks of smaller techtrees like the Merk and the challys or the Lecs.
So, there is only one way of buffing the Abrams: Buffing its armor, and compensating by cutting its riduculious fire rate to that of a normal 120mm NATO gun, like the one on L2A7.
(Gaijin should also buff minor nations’ tanks too, eg: give the chally more armor or give brits the chally 2 LEP, give the lec its correct armor and buff the Merk in some other way)
You come in making the team skill argument again.
You cannot nerf/buff because team skill is up or down, that’s not how Gaijin operates nor should they ever operate that way.
40% of rounds shot at my M1A1 [the 11.0 one] have bounced in the last month of playing it. I was surprised each time.
At the end of the day M1A1 HC onward has armor… just not in the hull. And is always capable of bouncing a panic shot.
Also F-16C isn’t what added great CAS capability, F-14B did.
F-16C just made the OP nature of F-14B even more OP.
Historical report required.
yeah, just talking in terms of game mechanics, tru that historically abrams has weak hull armor till sepV3, but it just doent fit the game mode of War thunder now
Abrams never had spall liners
I think the ztz99a for this kind of graph doesn’t seem quite right
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we are not the best when it comes to healthcare (a lot of European countries have free healthcare if I remember correctly)
It’s not right at all, lost count of the times I’ve lost crew or outright died through the Challenger 2 and 99As roof and the left side of Type 10s hull isn’t highlighted for some reason even though you can and will die through fuel explosions (or ammo).
Toning down the absurd spalling from the turret ring or the fuel tank and engine bulkheads will do more for the Abrams than the majority of suggestions.
ah yes another person typing this after its already been confirmed by gaijin and there are many bug reports proving the Abrams has spall liners. Here you go.
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because none of the people want to waste time fighting a uphill battle in shit tanks.
its kind of weird to hear so many complaints about the thin turret ring which even if accurate i doubt such a fragile spot is really that armored or able to withstand a sabot shot irl, instead people should be a lot more upset about the hull front plate which despite looking huge compared to the much shorter layers of t80/t90 offers barely 350mm ke protection
its only fragile because gaijin made it like that. IRL you would never hit it.
well irl you dont have a mouse and keyboard for pixel snipes so any weakspot is more exploitable ingame, but thats a different topic
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